The 9/11 conspiracy discussion thread - Bring your mind, not your mouth-

[J.Wolfe]

for the new page and new info

VERY BIG point that has not been brought forth. Al-Qaeda is a CIA invented group. WHY do you think they so blatently took credit for these acts, because it would steer any ideas of the govt actually having anything to do with 9/11

Oh and FYI: Al-Qaeda means "the Base"... "[According to a Pakistani major] the database was divided into two parts, the information file where the participants in the meetings could pick up and send information they needed, and the decision file where the decisions made during the previous sessions were recorded and stored. In Arabic, the files were called, 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' and 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic 'Q eidat ilmu'ti'aat' which is the exact translation of the English word database.

hmmm i wonder what the american database would be... take a guess anyone? The Government

more than half of the initial terrorists that were found guilty (in a matter of 4 days after 9/11- extremely fast) popped up one by one in random countries later claiming of having nothing to do with these acts, they were freed. These men were told and taught every single step by the government into how to act in public and make their presence, name, and intentions clearly known to the public leading up to 9/11, so there would be the "countless witnesses" to seeing these men, knowing their name, and having an idea of their intention w/o knowing what exactly. There is documentation of illegally signed and filled out forms of receiving credit cards, and passports that were oddly signed off on by the government to allow them this access.
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Al Qaeda was created by the CIA, in their offices in Washington D.C., According to Richard Clark in his most recent book. It was created for Saudi Arabia to bankroll Osama bin Laden, through the House of Saud, "in the Afghan war against the Soviet Union during the 1980's and Riyadh and Washington together contributed an estimated $3.5 billion to the mujahideen."

"In late 2003, U.S. News & World Report conducted an exhaustive study titled. 'The Saudi Connection.' Its findings included the following."

"The evidence was indisputable: Saudi Arabia, America's longtime ally and the world's largest oil producer, had somehow become, as a senior Treasury Department official put it, 'the epicenter' of terrorist financing'

"In October 2003, Vanity Fair magazine disclosed information that had not previously been made public, in an in-depth report entitled 'Saving the Saudis.' The story that emerged about the relationship between the Bush family, the House of Saud, and the bin Laden family" (outlined) relationships that went back at least to the time of the Saudi Arabian Money-laundering Affair which began in 1974, and to George H.W. Bush's terms as U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations (1971-1973) and then as head of the CIA (1976-1977).

"Vanity Fair concluded: The Bush family and the House of Saud, the two most powerful dynasties in the world, have had closed personal business, and political ties for more than 20 years'.

[ratmog]

perhaps the towers had some kind of anti-fall-on-other-towers mechanisms - so when a big shock was administered (big enough to trigger sensors throughout the building, like, for example, a large detonation or a plane crashing into it), bombs went off to bring the building straight to the ground, rather than sideways onto the city.

That's just a theory I'd heard to explain the demolition like destruction.

[J.Wolfe]

if ur gonna get offended, dont throw the first blow. here's some friendly advise(no bullshit) read a couple books. like 1984 and behold a pale horse. then tell me if u still have faith in ur country.

or Cointellpro... they killed american leaders and didnt even give a fuck, and tried rationalizing it and covering by making accounts of 'reasoning' behind these deaths, when in reality the government had broken into these peoples homes and killed them.

these files were directly extracted from the FBI building and brought forth... yea i really trust my government

[J.Wolfe]

perhaps the towers had some kind of anti-fall-on-other-towers mechanisms - so when a big shock was administered (big enough to trigger sensors throughout the building, like, for example, a large detonation or a plane crashing into it), bombs went off to bring the building straight to the ground, rather than sideways onto the city.

That's just a theory I'd heard to explain the demolition like destruction.

thought about it, but if thats the case then explain only 1 hour in, w/ thousands of spectators, fireman, and police at ground zero did they feel it was the right time to do this... bs. They didnt even give the city any time to evacuate to steer clear. and cared less about the people inside. that building was controlled and no where near the brink of collapse when it fell. Fire fighters inside ON RADIO have proof being on the 70+ floors where the plane hit, and said the fire would be very manageable to contain and eventually bring down. A fire fighter who's been doing his job for some time now and knows what hes talking about, and again victums on teh inside that survived said they could pass by the carnage and flames and get the entire way down to ground zero. Buildings after an hour of this would have not been declared unstable and needed to be done at that time. dont you think the government would a tleast let the fire fighters and police that this was happening and to get the fuck away?

[ratmog]

thought about it, but if thats the case then explain only 1 hour in, w/ thousands of spectators, fireman, and police at ground zero did they feel it was the right time to do this... yea sure. They didnt even give the city any time to evacuate to steer clear. and cared less about the people inside. that building was controlled and no where near the brink of collapse when it fell. Fire fighters inside ON RADIO have proof being on the 70+ floors where the plane hit, and said the fire would be very manageable to contain and eventually bring down. A fire fighter who's been doing his job for some time now and knows what hes talking about

there is no right time to murder hundreds of people, and that's not what I was saying. also, generally its 'safe' to be relatively close to a controlled destruction, hence the no evacuation of the surrounding areas - I cannot explain the amounts of people inside.

on a side note i remember when it happened, we were all called into the school hall to watch the news on a projector, like when diana died. it shook the world, not just your country.

[Kielan]

I have read 1984, 3 times actually. I haven't made a personal attack in here onlyade points that others have referenced. I'm done for real in here until people can respect other's views without attacking them personally with no real back up behind it. I'm done.

[J.Wolfe]

there is no right time to murder hundreds of people, and that's not what I was saying. also, generally its 'safe' to be relatively close to a controlled destruction, hence the no evacuation of the surrounding areas - I cannot explain the amounts of people inside.

on a side note i remember when it happened, we were all called into the school hall to watch the news on a projector, like when diana died. it shook the world, not just your country.

they surely had to of had rationality in their brains that said "this is the opportune/safest time to do this." so you may not say 'right'... but what else are you going to call it? because if it was just a self destruction method of the building, they arent just going to turn their backs and be like "should we do it yet? no not yet wait 5 more min"... and that is something i will completely disagree w/ in the fact that this was done purposely through the building design. and not done to reenact the building naturally falling from damage

[ratmog]

they surely had to have had rationality in their brains that said "this is the opportune/safest time to do this." so you may not say 'right'... but what else are you going to call it? because if it was just a self destruction method of the building, they arent just going to turn their backs and be like "should we do it yet? no not yet wait 5 more min"... and that is something i will completely disagree w/ in the fact that this was done purposely through the building design. and not done to reenact the building naturally falling from damage

I'm saying it was automated.

Explain the way the building fell, and the weird dusty debris then? I understand it was hit with a hugemotherfucking plane, but having seen cars hit houses at high speed and played jenga, I'm pretty sure if something is hit from the side.. it falls more sideways and won't pancake down on itself, unless the foundations/lower part are weakened earlier or at the same time.

[J.Wolfe]

I'm saying it was automated.

Explain the way the building fell, and the weird dusty debris then? I understand it was hit with a hugemotherfucking plane, but having seen cars hit houses at high speed and played jenga, I'm pretty sure if something is hit from the side.. it falls more sideways and won't pancake down on itself, unless the foundations/lower part are weakened earlier or at the same time.

idk if you were trying to disagree but your above statement follows what im saying haha

you are correct, if that building was infact going to solely fall from the impact of that air craft, then why the hell is an entire building on a landslide downward. At worse the top of the building would have folded over and damage would have been retained only to the top. Buildings floor by floor have their own individual truss system so incase of an event like this. it acts line a spinal cord, bending and having give to infact keep the entire structure from just falling like a tree or toppling below.

your last point has been told many of times. there were bombs in teh foundation of this building. Victums have told time and time again. multiple bangs were heard. one being before the plane hits above, and was in the bottom foundation of the building. This thing was rigged to go down the way it did, and to blow from the bottom and top at the same time. making it appear that JUST the top had toppled to the floor when in reality the top and bottom were broken at the same to to give this illusion... bombing material was found, the same flashes and rings on a demolition project were seen and experienced inside the building by man. video shows multiple bombs throughout of the building going off like a movie trying to time things just right guiding this thing to the ground. when at video clearly shows these internal explosions before the building was even at that point of collapsing

[hek1620]

I have read 1984, 3 times actually. I haven't made a personal attack in here onlyade points that others have referenced. I'm done for real in here until people can respect other's views without attacking them personally with no real back up behind it. I'm done.

hmmmm....

[hek1620]

Ok, lets get some shit straight right now, do you realize how hot those fires were? Do you understand how melting metal works, and how if you weaken the CORE of a building combined with massively high temperatures the top of the building won't just fall over... The structural rigidity of those buildings went right out the window, when a FUCKING PLANE flew into them.

I also feel like I am arguing with a 2 year old, can't even spell my name correctly when it's right there in front of you multiple times, let alone capitalize and use punctuation correctly.

i guess this wasnt a personal attack.

[ratmog]

idk if you were trying to disagree but your above statement follows what im saying haha

you are correct, if that building was infact going to solely fall from the impact of that air craft, then why the hell is an entire building on a landslide downward. At worse the top of the building would have folded over and damage would have been retained only to the top. Buildings floor by floor have their own individual truss system so incase of an event like this. it acts line a spinal cord, bending and having give to infact keep the entire structure from just falling like a tree or toppling below.

your last point has been told many of times. there were bombs in teh foundation of this building. Victums have told time and time again. multiple bangs were heard. one being before the plane hits above, and was in the bottom foundation of the building. This thing was rigged to go down the way it did, and to blow from the bottom and top at the same time. making it appear that JUST the top had toppled to the floor when in reality the top and bottom were broken at the same to to give this illusion... bombing material was found, the same flashes and rings on a demolition project were seen and experienced inside the building by man. video shows multiple bombs throughout of the building going off like a movie trying to time things just right guiding this thing to the ground. when at video clearly shows these internal explosions before the building was even at that point of collapsing

certainly wasnt trying to disagree, I was a bit confused about your last post and actually had to take a guess on if you were agreeing or not. xD

I'm trying to work out if the other explosions were infiltrated and there by man (suicide bombers), or built in.

[J.Wolfe]

I have read 1984, 3 times actually. I haven't made a personal attack in here onlyade points that others have referenced. I'm done for real in here until people can respect other's views without attacking them personally with no real back up behind it. I'm done.

and i guess ive yet to say much facts right Kielan? when in reality all of my posts are paragraphs of facts, put in to my own summarization for the sake of this thread. i can copy and paste this shit if i wanted to and show the vids

[J.Wolfe]

certainly wasnt trying to disagree, I was a bit confused about your last post and actually had to take a guess on if you were agreeing or not. xD

I'm trying to work out if the other explosions were infiltrated and there by man (suicide bombers), or built in.

yea i fully feel the detonation was government planned to reenact that thing falling from natural causes... and as far as how. ive posted before that there were numerous documented accounts of multiple unscheduled full building evacuations for suspect reason as to why many months before 9/11 leading up, and nothing ever came of it. now to say that these were the 'exact times' is hard ofcourse but to me that is very very believable as the government is the one who issues those in the first place.

[Bruno730]

it is extremely disconcerting that there were evacuations etc. but i'd be curious to see how frequently other building's (of similar size and type) are evacuated in prevalent cities.

In addition, how is it disputable that the way the towers collapsed is consistent with impact force from the above floor slab? One slab onto the next, doubles the load and each successive floor increases this... it just doesn't add up if this was controlled since the upper level would remain stationary while the lower (where the reported explosions just prior to collapse occurred) would compress and initiate collapse.