The 9/11 conspiracy discussion thread - Bring your mind, not your mouth-

[KarlSpackler]

BE RESPECTFUL!

again

BE RESPECTFUL!

I know we can all be adults, it isnt that hard to have a good discussion.

So, I recently started looking into the 9/11 conspiracy that alot of the distruction was actually something mustered up by our own government.

Now, at first I thought they were crazy as a bat BUT the more and more I read the more holes it shoots in the story.

To clarify, I am not on either side, I am in the fact finding stage, gaining knowledge, and learning. Hence why I would like a discussion from parties on both sides.

I started by watching the below 2 films-

http://www.zeitgeistthefilm.com/

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE"]YouTube - 911 Loose Change (full-length)[/ame]
And 9/11- In Plane Sight which can be found on NetFlix

Some thoughts I have heard:

"I mean really, do you really believe that a 757 could penetrate 3 layers of the Pentagon leaving an almost perfect hole with no wreckage left behind?!?! How the hell could flight 93 just have vaporized on impact leaving hardly any evidence that it was actually a plane that wrecked, but yet leave the identification of one of the accused intact and in almost perfect condition? If you look at the videos of the towers falling you can clearly see explosions 2-3 floors beneath the collapsing floors. That shit went down like a planned demolition. Search Google, it's hard to just look past the shit that is out there."

You can find more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isTGuaaln9A&feature=player_embedded#at=174

Their website ---> http://www.ae911truth.org/

Real engineers and architechts

Now I had heard of this one before, that Osama actually died in 2002 but didnt think much of it. Then I found this:

http://www.infowars.com/red-alert-government-had-osama-bin-laden-frozen-for-years/

So again, I have literally just in the last couple of days started reading/watching this stuff and would like to get other's opinions.

Have any of the rest of you looked into this before?

[SeanDub]

They're gonna come get you!

[Kielan]

I have nothing to offer to this thread, I can see this going south very quickly however.

[Ollie]

Google Zeitgeist debunked or disproved or whatever and you'll realize it's silly. Then go back and watch Zeitgeist again and you'll believe it again. Not even kidding. It's a well-constructed mind fuck that supports itself with seemingly indisputable facts that end up actually being so retarded that they almost can't be disproved. We've all been there.

[Smokey Bear]

Google Zeitgeist debunked or disproved or whatever and you'll realize it's silly. Then go back and watch Zeitgeist again and you'll believe it again. Not even kidding. It's a well-constructed mind fuck that supports itself with seemingly indisputable facts that end up actually being so retarded that they almost can't be disproved. We've all been there.

x2

You can look all you want but you'll never actually know what happened so maybe its best to just forget about it.

[runningpanda]

I just don't see the point in destroying/harming three of our most important buildings and endangering/killing thousands of important/intelligent people in order to screw with whatever. I haven't watched the videos yet, but I will when I get out of class tonight.

It just seems totally illogical to suspect that we'd cause such a catastrophe crashing planes in to such important buildings and crash a plane in a field to say that they missed the big target just to cover something up.

[Rírá]

You can look all you want but you'll never actually know what happened so maybe its best to just forget about it.

+1

[SeanDub]

Say this is all true, so what. You going to try and take down the government?

"I lay trust in my government, not because I truly trust them but because peace of mind is valuable to me."

Could not be truer, because seriously, what are you going to do about it, nothing, you would disappear before you ever had a large enough following for it to even be a threat to local government. Being skeptical is fine and all, but god damn have some faith in the government.

[Dudermagee]

Say this is all true, so what. You going to try and take down the religion?

"I lay trust in my god, not because I truly trust him but because peace of mind is valuable to me."

Could not be truer, because seriously, what are you going to do about it, nothing, you would disappear before you ever had a large enough following for it to even be a threat to the church. Being skeptical is fine and all, but god damn have some faith in the religion.

[Dudermagee]

Meh I can bitch about it, I can call it retarded all I want, the idea of a God is foolish to me. But the moral values the books teach are some that everyone should know. I have read the Bible, I don't just go saying shit without having some back up behind it.

The modern scope of religion is SO flawed compared to what it should be, and the way that people interpret it today to say things, and act in ways that these books mention nothing of. And not to mention the political problems it brings.

Religion theoretically is a great idea, but the execution is just not there. And hasn't been for a long long time.

And posing a threat to the Church, Judaism, Islam, etc is much easier than that of taking down a gov't such as the US.

Religion still has the power and will for a very long time
US government=235 years
Islam=1401 years
Catholic chruch=2011 years
Judaism=3823 years

[Jedidiah]

Meh I can bitch about it, I can call it retarded all I want, the idea of a God is foolish to me. But the moral values the books teach are some that everyone should know. I have read the Bible, I don't just go saying shit without having some back up behind it.

The modern scope of religion is SO flawed compared to what it should be, and the way that people interpret it today to say things, and act in ways that these books mention nothing of. And not to mention the political problems it brings.

Religion theoretically is a great idea, but the execution is just not there. And hasn't been for a long long time.

And posing a threat to the Church, Judaism, Islam, etc is much easier than that of taking down a gov't such as the US.

Ah the mind of a adolescent teenager thinking he knows everything lol.

We were all there once as well K.

[Kielan]

Sorry I thought we were having an adult conversation in here.

I'm done, deleted my posts, guess I can't say anything without being the kid. What a fucking shock.

[Jedidiah]

Sorry I thought we were having an adult conversation in here.

I'm done, deleted my posts, guess I can't say anything without being the kid. What a fucking shock.

You are always entitled to your opinion Kielan.. doesn't mean I'm not entitled to mine though

Toughen up Buttercup

[Kielan]

You mean to tell me that the Bible says that the Westboro Baptist Church is working in the word of God, and then you have never read the Bible.

The definition of Jihad is FAR from what people thing it is today, it is a holy war within one's self a war within yourself to do right by the name of God in everyday activities, not to go fly planes into buildings.


Religion is flawed, the morals are fantastic, what people interpret it to, is what causes serious problems.

[jdel]

You mean to tell me that the Bible says that the Westboro Baptist Church is working in the word of God, and then you have never read the Bible.

The definition of Jihad is FAR from what people thing it is today, it is a holy war within one's self a war within yourself to do right by the name of God in everyday activities, not to go fly planes into buildings.


Religion is flawed, the morals are fantastic, what people interpret it to, is what causes serious problems.

You know how I feel about both subjects, but you are wasting your time trying to change people's minds about this stuff. Let others believe what they want, no matter how right or wrong they may be. It's not even worth arguing especially when they won't budge.