The 9/11 conspiracy discussion thread - Bring your mind, not your mouth-

[J.Wolfe]

cool story, guess what. many people experienced what happened that day, and less then 25% said they even saw a plane crash into those buildings that day. Many saying they heard/saw/and experienced that of a missile making contact w/ that building. like i said look and seriously watch that video you will be proved wrong pretty quickly. and im not making any personal attacks. im telling it how it is, and clearly you cant handle being told your naive when in fact you are to the situation. maybe if you gave any bit of info or debunks to all of what ive said maybe id say other wise, but youve just followed the path of everyone else that sees something MEDIA exploited the way they wanted to, and nothing else after that... government has been doing it for years and im sure you know that, but yet this is somehow completely different.

like katt williams said - If someone is calling you a crackhead for 25 years, then bitch, you are a crackhead.

same principles. every day more and more realize the truths of this story and it will only grow. these are normal individuals like you and me, trying to find reason for all of this when the government never gave us one...

[J.Wolfe]

I think the claim that there were no actual planes that hit the twin towers is a bit of a stretch. There were literally thousands of people on the streets of New York staring at the impact site on the first tower when the second plane hit as well as dozens of amateur videos on youtube of the 2nd impact as well.

I have spent countless hours studying both sides of this argument and while I won't sit here trying to defend my point of view I will say that I find the crashes at the Pentagon and in Penn. much more suspicious than what happened in New York.

This video includes quite a bit of interesting info on the Pentagon, including eye witness interviews.

http://youtu.be/j5FhQc-LJ-o

watch my video it will debunk your claims about ALL eye witness videos, eye witnesses on the news, and the news casts. EVERY individual was in some way shape or form organized/affiliated/and worked in the news, media, and government. NONE of the "eye witness" tapes match up whatsoever, and they all leaked these videos years after it happened. Good thing they all had either a graphic design, multimedia, photography, etc. degree and worked in that field as well. I can keep going if you guys would like. because i think this pattern is pretty damn obvious

[Carter N]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U6KBtzoxp8&feature=related"]YouTube - WTC2 South Tower Plane Impact on 9/11 - Naudet[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XELamUnF0EU"]YouTube - 2nd Plane WTC[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyqo4oh-AzU&feature=related"]YouTube - United Airlines Flight 175 Witness Reactions[/ame]

shut the fuck up kid, you are making yourself look like an idiot.

[J.Wolfe]

those vids do nothing whatsoever.

oh point of impact. lets conviently just turn and shake away

oh a plane is SCREAMING over my head. lets calmly zoom out and perfectly catch it over my shoulder as it hits.

these same vids are broken down, and slowed to a T. and prove they are not what you appear to see. again in the vid i posted.

one video via the NEWS clearly shows the plane go ENTIRELY THROUGH the building w/ a perfect nose intact on the other side... yea sure

[Kielan]

I can't honestly believe you are suggesting a planes didn't even exist... Seriously the evidence is 100% there. THOUSANDS saw that shit happen. Literally thousands of people saw that happen...

[Carter N]

Oh, so you mean the hundreds of people being filmed by an independent documentary maker as well as a group of people filming from miles away are all part of a grand conspiracy? Maybe before they started filming they handed out fliers telling everyone how to act for the cameras...

really, I get your concern, I understand your message, I agree and share the same general feeling of suspicion but you are fighting the wrong battles and believing everything you watch...

I promise you I have spent much more time reading, listening, and watching information about September 11th... you're not helping your case dude.

one video via the NEWS clearly shows the plane go ENTIRELY THROUGH the building w/ a perfect nose intact on the other side... yea sure

I am no scientist but I would assume that because the nose of the plane is in front of the engines and fuel tanks that the explosion would propel the large bullet shaped nose of the plane forward through the building... just a guess.

[J.Wolfe]

say what you may, but where you see many things that would consider it no hoax, i equally see as one... again i ask how did 4 planes just go missing w/ all its contents

[Kielan]

They still haven't found many of the bodies from that day. I'm sorry but thinking those planes didn't fly into the towers is just ridiculous. Seriously, that just makes no sense.

[07NJx355]

I can't honestly believe you are suggesting a planes didn't even exist... Seriously the evidence is 100% there. THOUSANDS saw that shit happen. Literally thousands of people saw that happen...

This.

My brother was there as well and saw the crashes

[J.Wolfe]

the media you can tell had it fully scripted out, whether it was how they said things, when they said things, and who else chimed in and said things. mistakes were made, people were reporting collapses in foreign countries as these building stood tall in live view, clearly knowing what would happen next and what to say because of the fact it was scripted. one news analyst even speaks too fast and clearly replaces plane w/ the word missile and quickly cuts his sentence before finishing the word and continuing to say plane. Others clearly were reading from a script and poorly at that not in any form of an emotional stress, but clear precise errors like they had never seen the paper in front of them before, struggling to even make a sentence sound believable

[Carter N]

lol this is why I don't get into these kinds of discussions... There are too many idiots like you that make people who have actually spent time researching both sides of the story sound as crazy as yourself.

[Ollie]

Holy shit J.Wolfe wow. And we're the ones being tricked by media.

In all honesty that is just insulting to the victims and victims' families of 911. I know people who lost friends and family members in the twin towers and literally watched the planes fly into them. Let me guess they were in on it too. I can't stand your attitude in this thread but I don't like personal attacks so I'll just drop this truthful quote here

shut the fuck up kid, you are making yourself look like an idiot.

[KarlSpackler]

9/11 is rooted in religion, to leave it out of this thread, and discussion would be illogical.


Do you know how fire works? Shit BURNS.

If you go read the Engineers and Architects site, they tested and confirmed that the multiple fires and jet fuel that fueled them could not have put the steel/metal in the molten state that it was found to be in by numerous reports. What could though is the use of Thermite which was found ALL OVER the site which is commonly used in building demos.

Ok, lets get some shit straight right now, do you realize how hot those fires were? Do you understand how melting metal works, and how if you weaken the CORE of a building combined with massively high temperatures the top of the building won't just fall over... The structural rigidity of those buildings went right out the window, when a FUCKING PLANE flew into them.

See above

We need to work on our whole "foreign dependency" for pretty much everything much more than just oil.

Amen brotha


I have watched many videos and am finding it hard to fall head over heels for some of these ideas even though they are right in front of my eyes. It is the believer in me in all that is good about this country that creates the doubt.

However, there are HUGE holes in the governments stories.

- The reports and video evidence of explosions happening BEFORE and after the plane crashes
- Flight 93 and the pentagon crash are shams
- The excessive amounts of thermite found on the crash site and the evidence done by scientific testing disproving the governments reports
- The way the towers collapsed is a HUGE deterament to the government's story. I talked to 2 of my structural engineers about this and they are, come to find out, both HUGE into this and think it is a complete sham as well. They, as well as hundreds of other engineers, have run the numbers and the buildings shouldnt have collapsed and IF THEY DID, WOULD NOT come down like they did.

My faith is slipping..............

[NegativeCamber]

Holy shit J.Wolfe wow. And we're the ones being tricked by media.

In all honesty that is just insulting to the victims and victims' families of 911. I know people who lost friends and family members in the twin towers and literally watched the planes fly into them. Let me guess they were in on it too. I can't stand your attitude in this thread but I don't like personal attacks so I'll just drop this truthful quote here

while I see where you are getting at, the whole insulting the victims statement doesn't work here.there are victim's families also calling for a re investigation. Also ever heard of marines for 911 truth? I'm playing devils advocate here.

[Kielan]

Holy shit J.Wolfe wow. And we're the ones being tricked by media.

In all honesty that is just insulting to the victims and victims' families of 911. I know people who lost friends and family members in the twin towers and literally watched the planes fly into them. Let me guess they were in on it too. I can't stand your attitude in this thread but I don't like personal attacks so I'll just drop this truthful quote here

Yeah. This.