The 9/11 conspiracy discussion thread - Bring your mind, not your mouth-

[ratmog]

it is extremely disconcerting that there were evacuations etc. but i'd be curious to see how frequently other building's (of similar size and type) are evacuated in prevalent cities.

In addition, how is it disputable that the way the towers collapsed is consistent with impact force from the above floor slab? One slab onto the next, doubles the load and each successive floor increases this... it just doesn't add up if this was controlled since the upper level would remain stationary while the lower (where the reported explosions just prior to collapse occurred) would compress and initiate collapse.

i'm not sure about your last statement, however many buildings are evacuated at least twice a year in the uk?

[Bruno730]

i'm not sure about your last statement, however many buildings are evacuated at least twice a year in the uk?

well just look at footage of controlled demo vs. the towers. i know i've repeated this in a few posts but it's good evidence showing a clear distinction in the collapse mechanism.

are you saying it's about 2x? i haven't researched this but it'd be interesting to compare values. I find it hard to imagine that the government was able to set up a controlled demo without noise complaints, a plethora of people working there, etc...

[ratmog]

well just look at footage of controlled demo vs. the towers. i know i've repeated this in a few posts but it's good evidence showing a clear distinction in the collapse mechanism.

are you saying it's about 2x? i haven't researched this but it'd be interesting to compare values. I find it hard to imagine that the government was able to set up a controlled demo without noise complaints, a plethora of people working there, etc...

There is a difference, as there is a difference in all demolitions - the footage of Tower 7 ( i think thats what it was called) is a little more controlled demolition.
I was suggesting it was already built into the building, as a precaution, or carried in under the jackets of undercover suicide bombers the worked there or had appointments, who were instructed to get to a structural location and pull as soon as they felt a crash.

edit: well, we have whole building evacuations 2 times a year in each school i've been to, and have had one so far at university

[Zic]

Ah the mind of a adolescent teenager thinking he knows everything lol.

We were all there once as well K.

[Francois Dillinger]

What if the conspiracy is a conspiracy?
Dawg, I heard you like conspiracies. I put a conspiracy in yo conspiracy so you can conspire while conspiring!

[.:dutchtuner:.]

bin laden really tied the room together mannn

[hek1620]

they pee'd on ur fuckin bin laden, dude.

[KarlSpackler]

1st time on a computer since I posted this but I am at work now and need to get ish done. I cant wait to go home and read it tonight.


To a few posts on the 1st page, I am not looking to "accomplish" anything with this thread, just want to gain knowledge from others who might know more about the subject. A big problem with Generation Y is no one ASKS QUESTIONS, every looks to google. I would rather have a rational discussion about it.

[J.Wolfe]

oh youll have fun reading man! i tried to add as much facts/ideologies/ideas to the topic of discussion as i could. even though some just think they are myths and whatnot

[J.Wolfe]

this video is the icing on the cake for me. speculating the planes never existed... never fathomed the idea until this, and gotta say its clear that these stations had more to do w/ the entire scam then originally thought... and all the amature videos of "eye witnesses" along w/ the news broadcasts ALL have varying information that's not the same throughout. fyi only the main stations were able to broadcast at this time, cutting and canceling all local stations... i wonder why?

it's crazy, but true. this entire act was a scam. the videos of these spectators are so badly done and edited to appear as it was live time, they even used the same women for a voice recording... no matter what anyone has to say after this. Im fully convinced we were bamboozled by our government

this thread is 60 pages of the most factual information you will probably ever find on this topic... read away and be amazed

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1479016/pg60

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWl8mUSDIwU&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - SEPTEMBER CLUES : Definitive Edition | 2008 (FULL VERSION)[/ame]

[J.Wolfe]

quoted from pilot:

all I am saying is what every other airline pilot in the world is saying and proving in a simulator and that is that none of us could aim for and hit a 208 foot wide building at 561 MPH.

This does not even address the fact that it would be impossible for a Boeing 767 to acheive 561 mph and be controllable.

The max operating speed of the 767 is 360 kts or 420 mph.
During flight tests for certification the airplane is put into a dive and may not exceed 420 kts which is 484 mph.

The 'may not' is in reference to the normal increase in airplane drag which, in the case of their supercritical wing design prevents achieving that speed by parasite drag. The airplane is specifically designed not to exceed Vd
(420 kts.)

However, even during this flight test, various parts are removed and secured because they would just tear off the airplane.

And if you address the engines drag, trying to ram 3 times the air into the intake than normal they would simply flame out.

To people who seem convinced that there were crashed airplanes on 911 I point to the fact that between the 4 airplanes there were 9 million separate, identifiable by part number, parts of which not one has been found. None of the parts at the crash scene had any FAA manufacturing numbers required to be on any airplane part.

And there was also 90 miles of wiring in the 4 aircraft not one inch of which has been found.

[Kielan]

I'm sorry, but that's just fucking stupid to say that the planes "never existed". If you honestly believe I really don't know what to think.

And now I'm truly done with this thread.

[J.Wolfe]

watch the vid and be proven wrong you idiot. its facts... its video evidence, and its tested and proven before your eyes.. If you don't watch and still say things like above then i have the up most right to call you a fucking naive individual that is brainwashed.

4 PLANES
90 MILLION PARTS
OVER 200 PASSENGERS
OVER 90 MILLION MILES OF WIRES/CABLE CONTAINED IN THE 4 PLANES IN TOTAL

AND YET ZERO OF THIS HAS BEEN FOUND OR LEGITIMIZED TO DATE.

im sorry but you lose sir. easily

[Kielan]

Well seeing as my Uncle saw that shit happen, I'm going to believe him... And why do you need to resort to personal attacks, seriously, that isn't doing anything for your points at all.... I don't get what you are trying to prove, cool you can talk shit on the internet? This is supposed to be an intelligent conversation, where everyone is supposed to be respectful, so far you 3 pushing this have been anything but.

[Carter N]

I think the claim that there were no actual planes that hit the twin towers is a bit of a stretch. There were literally thousands of people on the streets of New York staring at the impact site on the first tower when the second plane hit as well as dozens of amateur videos on youtube of the 2nd impact as well.

I have spent countless hours studying both sides of this argument and while I won't sit here trying to defend my point of view I will say that I find the crashes at the Pentagon and in Penn. much more suspicious than what happened in New York.

This video includes quite a bit of interesting info on the Pentagon, including eye witness interviews.

http://youtu.be/j5FhQc-LJ-o