Senza pari 280z build

[rsingh3g]

I can wait for something as badass as this. I really love the way you weld, I want a intake tube made for my car with those amazing welds

[ZammoTheChoppa]

Wheres the fuckn fabrication pics :p

[SENZA PARI]

When will the construction of the frame take place?

Ah yes! Looking better. Now quit your "measuring twice, cut once" philosophy already and get after it! ;-)

Unfortuantely there are quite a few things I need to sort out before I call the frame good, and start the actual fabrication... It will be worth the wait however (not on your end, this I knowl:-))

Just found this thread.

Legendary.

Makes me proud to be from Wisconsin! I'd love to see this (and all the shop projects) in person sometime. Milwaukee isn't that far either! Keep up the quality work.

I love coming into this thread! The best part to me is your SolidWorks drawings. I just started getting into SolidWorks, and have to learn on my own (EE's don't get to use the cool programs ). I'm looking forward to seeing more, all your work is amazing!

Thank you both for the kind words. You're more than welcome to stop by, alhtough there isn't too much exciting happening at the moment. Most of the good stuff is going on in 3D land.

And speaking of 3D land, a bit more of the frame put together. Slowly but surely.... its happening.


SENZA PARI 280Z by SENZA PARI #1, on Flickr


SENZA PARI 280Z by SENZA PARI #1, on Flickr


SENZA PARI 280Z by SENZA PARI #1, on Flickr

[black_89gt]

I love coming into this thread! The best part to me is your SolidWorks drawings. I just started getting into SolidWorks, and have to learn on my own (EE's don't get to use the cool programs ). I'm looking forward to seeing more, all your work is amazing!

[2GRX7]

Ah yes! Looking better. Now quit your "measuring twice, cut once" philosophy already and get after it! ;-)

[L1no]

Just found this thread.

Legendary.

Makes me proud to be from Wisconsin! I'd love to see this (and all the shop projects) in person sometime. Milwaukee isn't that far either! Keep up the quality work.

[rsingh3g]

When will the construction of the frame take place?

[SENZA PARI]

A few more screen shots showing the front frame and suspension layout a bit more finalized. The bottom A-arm has been moved inboard and the last photo shows the current KI. Again, this isn't final... both A-arms will be shortened up a bit depending on the brake hat and uprights. The top one slightly more so than the bottom.

I'm starting to appreciate the amount of time it's been taking to figure some areas out... anything I can revise to make better/stronger/lighter/simpler is well worth it. Had I dove right into chopping apart material, I'd be left with who knows how many waster hours and a pile of useless tubing. The extra time put into the model will allow the actual construction of the frame to go together like cake.


SENZA PARI 280Z FRAME by SENZA PARI #1, on Flickr


SENZA PARI 280Z FRAME by SENZA PARI #1, on Flickr


FRONT SENZA PARI 280Z FRAME by SENZA PARI #1, on Flickr


SENZA PARI 280Z FRAME by SENZA PARI #1, on Flickr


SENZA PARI 280Z FRAME by SENZA PARI #1, on Flickr

[SENZA PARI]

Gotcha! Not doubting you just always thought about that in daydreaming ridiculous projects over the years. cant wait for the next update!!!

(Oh and if you get a chance to look at that thread I sent you in the PM that would be AWESOME, if not keep up the amazing work! I know you have about as many projects as me :P)

I completely missed your pm, I'll respond tomorrow when I have a minute to sit down at the computer!

Woah! I don't know where your lower control arms will sit, but looking at that picture has me thinking your Kingpin Inclination is going to end up on the outer sidewall! I'm hoping that's the CAD playing visual tricks on me. If it is, in fact, correct, and your K.I. is proper, you're not going to much range of motion in those upper spherical bearings.

You are correct! The A-arm in the model is actually just in there for reference, it's much too long for actual use. The correct length will be figured out once I have the brakes, and front uprights set. Ideally I'll have a KI which will put the scrub radius around an inch, or slightly less.

[2GRX7]

Woah! I don't know where your lower control arms will sit, but looking at that picture has me thinking your Kingpin Inclination is going to end up on the outer sidewall! I'm hoping that's the CAD playing visual tricks on me. If it is, in fact, correct, and your K.I. is proper, you're not going to much range of motion in those upper spherical bearings.

[soab]

Most of it has to do with keeping the weight as low as possible. Also, if move the pickup points up, they need to be mounted on something, which means additional framework. The biggest reason for using the square and rectangular tubing at the base of the frame is having a solid flat fce in which to mount under trays to... Every at we've ever worked on we've had to make a lower "frame" in which to mount under trays to, which adds weight, etc. So, if I can pull double duty by having the frame act as the main structure, and support all ancillaries (suspension) then it's a win.

Gotcha! Not doubting you just always thought about that in daydreaming ridiculous projects over the years. cant wait for the next update!!!

(Oh and if you get a chance to look at that thread I sent you in the PM that would be AWESOME, if not keep up the amazing work! I know you have about as many projects as me :P)

[SENZA PARI]

I guess what I don't understand is if your making this full custom why not move the A arm mounting points up so the control arms are more level with the ground and still have the frame be low?

Most of it has to do with keeping the weight as low as possible. Also, if move the pickup points up, they need to be mounted on something, which means additional framework. The biggest reason for using the square and rectangur tubing at the base of the frame is having a solid flat fce in which to mount under trays to... Every at we've ever worked on we've had to make a lower "frame" in which to mount under trays to, which adds weight, etc. So, if I can pull double duty by having the frame act as the main structure, and support all ancillaries (suspension) then it's a win.

[soab]

I guess what I don't understand is if your making this full custom why not move the A arm mounting points up so the control arms are more level with the ground and still have the frame be low?

[SENZA PARI]

So here's where I'm at currently... adjusted the front end around a little bit to make fabrication a bit easier. The front rails have been trimmed down to 2" square vs. the 4" x 2" tubing from the previous design. The lower rail has also been pushed out to sit in line with the top A-arm support, keeping them square, and simplifying the fixturing needed (if at all).
If I leave the front as is, I'm limited to mounting locations for the lower A-arms pickup points, which puts them at equal length... not what I want. I'll probably end up pinching the bottom rails in putting the pickup points inboard a few inches. This will give the lower A-arm the additional length it needs, and still keep everything square.

Again, I always start out on the wild side and then bring it back down to earth where it'll have to actually be made:-)


fron 3 by SENZA PARI #1, on Flickr


fron 2 by SENZA PARI #1, on Flickr


fron 1 by SENZA PARI #1, on Flickr

[Miroteknik]

please post exhaust vid when finished.