Inability to enjoy new cars..

[SheaMoose]

Have you driven a muscle car? They suck to drive.

even in a straight line where they are supposed to be legendary, are pretty damn slow in comparison with a chipped 335i, or even a 80's supra with a boost controller.

I've driven a few, but most have been well over the 500hp mark, so it's not really a fair comparison. But the stock ones do suck a little, until you realize how much fun it is and how cool you look haha.

That S4 is one of the most connected driving experiences I've ever had. You're trying to make a case for your "point" with the talk about "personality", no that's called having a shitty car. If your car feels like it's going to fall apart while you're driving, it's a piece of shit. If it has shitty paint because you can't be bothered to take care of it, it's shitty.

There is a difference between patina and a car having character, rather than it being a steaming shit box.

You're still not understanding what I'm trying to say..
I completely agree with you about the shitty car buisness. I never said having a shitty car is okay because of it's "personality".

60s and 70s muscle cars suck to drive. Driven several making upwards of 700+ and yeah it was fun to mash the go pedal. But you cant see shit out the front or rear to well and turning them pssh forget it. The only way I really want an old school muscle car would be do re chassis it. IRS rear, tubular front, ect. If not then it would be a highway cruiser

I wish my GN had the suspension setup from the GNX, car doesnt handle terrible but needs some work. I personally feel for 80's cars the GN takes the spot for speed. with about 1000$-$1500 I will be in the low 11's.

A friend of mine owns a 60' Ford Falcon that passes new mustangs all day on the track, so it's entirely possible to make them handle really well.

This. I've owned a few and still own a 70 Cougar with a built 351c. It takes way too much money in suspension to make them handle well. I'm not saying it isn't worth it... In a straight line though mine is fun, but it isn't a stock car. Either way I have a blast driving it.



I totally agree with that. Especially when every old man in town stops you to tell you about when he had one growing up.

I've owned so many different kinds of cars that I feel like I can say this... You all are arguing about hamburgers and hot dogs here. People are going to feel different ways about driving different cars. Some more closed minded than others, but it comes down to opinion and personal preferences. The argument that old cars are better just because they are old and have character though? Come on now... I can see that maybe when comparing a classic Ferrari to a new Kia, but not every new car should be written off as a loss just because you've driven one or two and you didn't feel "connected". The joy I get from driving my old ass Mercedes is cool and all, but then I hop in my FRS it's one of the best handling cars I've ever driven. It's an absolute blast to drive and 10x more fun than any 240 or old muscle car I've ever owned. But hey, that's my opinion. I'll forever love the style of old classics over most new cars, but no reason to bash on new cars because they are more advanced than what you drive. That's like saying I **** super models because my girlfriend has hair in her back fat rolls...

I wasn't saying that old cars are better, I was just stating that I enjoy them a lot more.
So I totally agree with you man.

NEW CAR PROBS..... FOR ALL STANCERS BEWARE!

Some require full coverage (if purchased on credit)

Full Coverage = wallet rape

Car Payments.

Higher registration fees

Cost of "non warranty items"

Warranty VOIDS (all the shit we do would void!)

I can go for days but







New cars suck. Sure I might not be able to afford one now.... But I have plenty friends with e90's e92's e46m the new 135 I also drove.... My other buddy has a e55 all great cars but would I put my self in a hole just to feel good about my self! NOPE! And Shea is right it seems that newer cars drive them selfs.... I actually like the slight wheel vibration on 80+ mph in my 27 year old car! And I like the fact that I see my engine when I open up my hood. I like changing my own oil w no reset bs involved in the cars comp. Like dealer crap! I also like that I can change my own oil for under 40 Bucks and takes about 20 min only..... Try removing plastic bs for 20mins just to get to your filter! LOL



And cheaper parts are a plus... Used/refurbished parts are even a bigger plus! I just like the feel of older cars.....






Now my car has a fresh rebuild and actually moves.....With that being said I have a pretty functional older car that I do truly love.... I don't know I just love pulling out a Dipstick to check my oil less shit to fail in the long run!







Lets see that plastic car of yours make it to 300K!

Exactly, it's just the love for being connected with your car.

OP is right and anyone who disagrees is wrong and dumb.

All my cars have carbs with no powersteering, no abs, no traction control, no AC, and well no power options at all. I will never have it any other way.

Pshh, duh.
Being raw > creature comforts.

Also, my last point for this thread, if you can't get into any car and at least find one way to enjoy it, you're probably doing it wrong.

I've had a lot more fun in my Dad's Prius than I care to admit, taking that thing to it's limits is a ton of fun.

Well yeah, I've had plenty of fun in new cars.
I just don't enjoy them enough to own them.

[M.Doban]

Man, I am 100% the same lines as the original post. I'd take a classic car over a new one any day. As long as it wasn't some lame old Buick that nobody cares about. I'm not going to defend those.

[07NJx355]

buicks can be cool lol

[Rebounder]

good luck driving something carb-ed in another 10 years, the EPA will ream your ass so wide you could drive a train in there.
edit: i see you're an oregon hipster, the EPA will gently caress your scrotum and thank you for being ahead of your time.



i love people that "don't need a/c". if you want to purposefully make yourself uncomfortable, fine you do that,

i don't mind driving with the windows down when its hot, but i **** humidity. with no a/c you're screwed if its super humid outside. in my area, the average humidity is 78% from may to september. that's the average, its usually 85-87% in the morning and and 70-72% while driving home. i see no point in arriving at work already sweating...

when it's hotter outside with the windows down, rolling down the windows don't mean shit

[Queef|Chief]

I'd have to say for me personally I am stuck in the 90's! All the "newer" car options is def nice for a daily drive, but for whatever reason I still find my self without power anything, no cup holders, and still loving my car lol. (89 Wagovan BTW)

[Ieatpeople]

when it's hotter outside with the windows down, rolling down the windows don't mean shit

exactly, i pretty much refuse to drive a car without working a/c. if im spending the money to insure it, put gas in it, and mod it, the f-ing a/c better work!

[Kielan]

I've driven a few, but most have been well over the 500hp mark, so it's not really a fair comparison. But the stock ones do suck a little, until you realize how much fun it is and how cool you look haha.

You're still not understanding what I'm trying to say..
I completely agree with you about the shitty car buisness. I never said having a shitty car is okay because of it's "personality".

A friend of mine owns a 60' Ford Falcon that passes new mustangs all day on the track, so it's entirely possible to make them handle really well.

I wasn't saying that old cars are better, I was just stating that I enjoy them a lot more.
So I totally agree with you man.

Exactly, it's just the love for being connected with your car.

Pshh, duh.
Being raw > creature comforts.

Well yeah, I've had plenty of fun in new cars.
I just don't enjoy them enough to own them.

You tried to differentiate "character" and "personality", and tried to justify your point. I am telling you that your definition of "personality" as you stated it, makes your car a piece of shit. Character, sure I'll give you that some old cars have a great deal of "character", but I've seen new cars with just as much "character". The only difference is you see many more of the new cars on the road right now because they are, you know... new, and what's being bought right now.

I love old cars as much as the next guy, but your inability to enjoy new cars sounds like a personal problem.

[MommysLittleMonster]

Define "new" when you say "new cars with just as much character", Kelly.

Because I'm going to have to call bullshit on that one.

[Kielan]

Define "new" when you say "new cars with just as much character", Kelly.

Because I'm going to have to call bullshit on that one.

New M sport BMWs. They have a presence about them. New Fords, the fusion in particular, tons of it. The same can be said of the 458, and Aventador.

Just because a car is new doesn't mean it has character. So many people say "oh that car has character" and the only thing they can come up with is because it's old and "different" to what we see on the road now. So if those cars were new now, would that mean that they didn't have character? All of these cars are mass produced and at one time or another dominated the road, when they were new did those cars not have that "character" that they do now?

[Rob&co]

this is becoming a shit show....

[Jlyons617]

The new Fusion has character? To me it's just a Mazda 6 with a different body. Or a Mondeo. I do like the grille though.

[07NJx355]

i think the new fr-s/brz and the genesis coupe have some "character" about them, and they are damn nice.

[Average_Jerk]

The new Fusion has character? To me it's just a Mazda 6 with a different body. Or a Mondeo. I do like the grille though.

its an Aston

[MommysLittleMonster]

I think people are confusing the word "character" with "presence".

Any expensive new car is flashy and gets attention, that doesn't mean it has character- that would be presence. Character is something that happens with time, age, and wear.

[Kielan]

I think people are confusing the word "character" with "presence".

Any expensive new car is flashy and gets attention, that doesn't mean it has character- that would be presence. Character is something that happens with time, age, and wear.

So then by your definition no new car can have character. So then when these old cars that everyone says has so much "character" when they were new, they had none?

So what does that mean for old cars with fresh paint, and all new parts on them? And fully restored cars? They have no character as well?