Inability to enjoy new cars..

[nellydragracer]

In 10 years when the cars of today are getting up in their age and miles, I'll be curious to see where you all stand on this matter.

Me too. I'm sure people, 20, 30, 40 years ago were saying the same thing about the new cars of their day.

[Ieatpeople]

In 10 years when the cars of today are getting up in their age and miles, I'll be curious to see where you all stand on this matter.

it will come down to "the lesser of 2 evils". A 2013 BMW will seem basic and unsophisticated compared to all the gadgets in a 2023 BMW.

some of the e65 7-series are 10 years old now, and i would never consider buying one. too many known electrical/electronic issues. imagine how bad it will be 10 years from now...

[Kielan]

it will come down to "the lesser of 2 evils". A 2013 BMW will seem basic and unsophisticated compared to all the gadgets in a 2023 BMW.

some of the e65 7-series are 10 years old now, and i would never consider buying one. too many known electrical/electronic issues. imagine how bad it will be 10 years from now...

So what is everyone here who preaches about E30s and E28s going to do? Drive E39s and E46s and pretend like they're gods gift to the world? Claim they have so much character in comparison to the new models?

They'll be 20 year old "classics".

[MommysLittleMonster]

In 10 years when the cars of today are getting up in their age and miles, I'll be curious to see where you all stand on this matter.

They'll be affordable and kids will end up buying them and ruining them. Kind of like what we did in the early 2000's.

Difference is, we'll be the old fucks driving around in muscle car-esque "classics" that will be revered.


"Holy shit, you have an M3 that doesn't have a GPS tracker or wheelspin detector? That's so badass!"
"And I can even turn off the traction control just by pushing a button."

[Ieatpeople]

So what is everyone here who preaches about E30s and E28s going to do? Drive E39s and E46s and pretend like they're gods gift to the world? Claim they have so much character in comparison to the new models?

They'll be 20 year old "classics".

unfortunately, i think you're exactly right.

Its amazing how much people love unreliable cars (bmw and vw to be specific). Mechanically they work fine, but all the computers mess everything up.

i have owned 3 e30s, 3 e28's, and an e36. I do not currently own, nor do i ever plan on buying, another BMW. I've had enough of the wiring issues and sketchy electronics.

[Kielan]

unfortunately, i think you're exactly right.

Its amazing how much people love unreliable cars (bmw and vw to be specific). Mechanically they work fine, but all the computers mess everything up.

i have owned 3 e30s, 3 e28's, and an e36. I do not currently own, nor do i ever plan on buying, another BMW. I've had enough of the wiring issues and sketchy electronics.

I've never encountered an electronics issue. All of my issues are because of shitty maintenance practices by POs that I've had to fix.

[ShwnPtrck]

unfortunately, i think you're exactly right.

Its amazing how much people love unreliable cars (bmw and vw to be specific). Mechanically they work fine, but all the computers mess everything up.

i have owned 3 e30s, 3 e28's, and an e36. I do not currently own, nor do i ever plan on buying, another BMW. I've had enough of the wiring issues and sketchy electronics.

I've owned one bmw, never again

[Ieatpeople]

I've never encountered an electronics issue. All of my issues are because of shitty maintenance practices by POs that I've had to fix.

i wish i had been that lucky. im gonna stick with japanese and american cars from now on.


if for some reason i come into a HUGE amount of money, i may consider another german car.

[Jesus Christ]

Honestly man, there is nothing complicated about e28, e30 and e36. Maybe the e36 because it has modules but no real significant difference in working on a japanese electrical system or a 80's german car. It's just relays and fuses.

[Rob&co]

Honestly man, there is nothing complicated about e28, e30 and e36. Maybe the e36 because it has modules but no real significant difference in working on a japanese electrical system or a 80's german car. It's just relays and fuses.

My point is more based on quality of the actual material used to manufacture with... I mean the new bmw paint even sucks, lol damn robo orange peal!

[motocaddy]

I would have to disagree, having driven a number of new cars recently and driving their older counterparts. New cars are just as much fun to drive.

People bitch about the 991 having electric steering, 99% of those people, have never even driven a 991.

This.

This $10k car is my daily driver.


This week, this $100k+ car is my daily (bday present from my wife):


Don't get me wrong, I love my e36, but this 991 Cab S is better in every single way! Even in ways I didn't even know a car could be better! The 991 blows my mind with acceleration, handling, brakes, and has damn near the luxury of a Bentley! I've only spent two days with the car (2 more left!) and it's an incredible experience.

The e36 is great "bang-for-the-buck" considering it's 1/10 the cost of admission, but there's plenty of benefits to new cars. Sure scraping around town with tight fitment is good fun, but I'm not kidding myself that this 991 is about as good as car driving gets!

I'd compare it to a semi-hot girl who's a freak in the sheets (old car). No doubt she can get you off, but, given the chance, you know you'd rather have a night with a Victoria's Secret Angel of your choice (new car).

Of course paying for it is a completely different conversation...

[devon.818]

NEW CAR PROBS..... FOR ALL STANCERS BEWARE!

Some require full coverage (if purchased on credit)

Full Coverage = wallet rape

Car Payments.

Higher registration fees

Cost of "non warranty items"

Warranty VOIDS (all the shit we do would void!)

I can go for days but







New cars suck. Sure I might not be able to afford one now.... But I have plenty friends with e90's e92's e46m the new 135 I also drove.... My other buddy has a e55 all great cars but would I put my self in a hole just to feel good about my self! NOPE! And Shea is right it seems that newer cars drive them selfs.... I actually like the slight wheel vibration on 80+ mph in my 27 year old car! And I like the fact that I see my engine when I open up my hood. I like changing my own oil w no reset bs involved in the cars comp. Like dealer crap! I also like that I can change my own oil for under 40 Bucks and takes about 20 min only..... Try removing plastic bs for 20mins just to get to your filter! LOL



And cheaper parts are a plus... Used/refurbished parts are even a bigger plus! I just like the feel of older cars.....






Now my car has a fresh rebuild and actually moves.....With that being said I have a pretty functional older car that I do truly love.... I don't know I just love pulling out a Dipstick to check my oil less shit to fail in the long run!







Lets see that plastic car of yours make it to 300K!

you're main points are invalid because you base it on someone who has an issue with money, which means they are ****** because they can't afford it!

and new cars to 300k? my moms 06 kia has 275k on it, idk how many tbelts ive done on that car!

funny side not, for GM cars if a service advisor tries to put the mileage in and its greater than 200k the computer won't let them, it says that it exceeds vehicle limits....kind of funny

[Rob&co]

you're main points are invalid because you base it on someone who has an issue with money, which means they are ****** because they can't afford it!

and new cars to 300k? my moms 06 kia has 275k on it, idk how many tbelts ive done on that car!

funny side not, for GM cars if a service advisor tries to put the mileage in and its greater than 200k the computer won't let them, it says that it exceeds vehicle limits....kind of funny

You're moms kia is a POS..... And You killed your point by stating you have to work on it all the time. Based also on your mothers car facts (you have provided make, miles and shit) she is also in a financial situation.



Once again I HA TE new cars and not due to the fact that they are current and priced to current market value's.......


IN 15 years when its 1200-1500 bucks I will still not buy it ya dumb fuck!

[andybob]

Easy on the Kia's here guys.

Off the top of my head, I don't think I have really driven a 'newer' sports car so I don't really have much of an opinion on this subject.

However, my dad used to have a '94 Mustang GT that he got rid of for an 07 GT. Granted the 94 had a little motor and suspension work (bolt ons) I think that was more fun to drive than the 07 GT. I think the thing that kills the 07 is Throttle By Wire instead of cable. The response is so much different.

But with that said, even with just that as an example, throttle by wire makes more since. With throttle by cable you need a idle air control valve to adjust airflow whereas with throttle by wire the PCM can just open the throttle blade up a little bit to compensate.

I think we are at the point where the majority of electronic components are pretty consistent, sure there are exceptions, but compared to where we were 10 years ago we're miles ahead now. Who knows how reliable they'll be in the future.

From a troubleshooting standpoint, newer cars can be easier to diagnose IMO, but you need a really good scantool to communicate with them. I used to work in a small shop were even we couldn't afford them, so for the average DIY garage rat, it's even tougher. That's the biggest downside IMO.

With that said, while I've worked on German cars, Domestic, Japanese, and Korean cars, I think Korean cars are my favorite. A lot of this is because I've found my current car ridiculously easy to work on. Not to mention Kia and Hyundai's shop info is free for all. They have their own info system that's free to use and very similar to ShopKey/AllData.

Like I said, I haven't driven many new performance cars, but right now the most fun car I have ever driven was a '76 911. The interior and exterior were pretty shot, but mechanically it was sound. To this day my dream car is still an older 911.

[Byron]

They both have their merits, it's really personal preference. You really do get more connection to an older car, and it's because you can look at it and see how it works. There are mechanical linkages to things, you can see tooling marks when you fix them, you can repair most of the parts rather then replacing them. Those are the things that create the character that people talk about. New cars are all made to perfection by machines, they have electricity making all the connections, and you need a scan tool to fix most things. The cars feel disconnected, because they are.

But then again, it's extremely nice to get in a car that will save you no matter what you do, where the only gauges you need to look at are the speed and fuel level, that has a warranty, that will get you from A to B with no issues and in complete comfort.

I have an e39 (not brand new but still new compared to most of my cars) that whenever I drive makes me long to be in an e30. Yet after I drive around in an e30 (and love every minute of it), getting back in the e39 just feels comfortable and relaxing. They're both great for different reasons.