the end of manual

[P78]

it's a hefty read

http://members.ziggo.nl/werner.hooger/RIP%20the%20manual%20gearshift%20Evo%202013.pdf

[wanna.spoon]

stopped reading after it didn't have a Nissan Pulsar GTIR in the worst gearbox category...

[180roman]

Manual for life.

I'll just live in the past with my old school cars

[SuperMegaDeathRay]

manual is a must...automatic is only a win if you stuck in traffic...i **** traffic... and automatic is just for old american domestic v8 full size cars...that's my point...

[P78]

flappy paddle manual?

like those dsg htat vw and audis have, i like those

[180roman]

nah has to be full manual, thats where the whole driving fun comes from

[Nick475]

Full manual or no car at all lol

[MommysLittleMonster]

While I give a ton of credit to the new technology and innovation that goes into cars and makes them shift lightning fast, it will never, ever match the satisfaction you get from rowing your own gears.

Any fool can get in a car and pull back a video game lever to change gears. Watching a skilled driver heel-toe and rev-match while banging gears is just art in motion.

[Kielan]

While I give a ton of credit to the new technology and innovation that goes into cars and makes them shift lightning fast, it will never, ever match the satisfaction you get from rowing your own gears.

Any fool can get in a car and pull back a video game lever to change gears. Watching a skilled driver heel-toe and rev-match while banging gears is just art in motion.

While I agree, it is still not a matter of get in and all of a sudden you are the best driver in the world. Driving in these new cars with flappy paddle lightning shift boxes is still not easy, and it does take skill and finesse to really get the most out of them.

Do I think traditional 3 pedal is more fun? Absolutely. Does it provide me with a certain satisfaction that nothing else can quite replicate? Absolutely. But cars are so much more advanced now, with all of these computers and 50 types of traction control, damper stiffening, etc, the cars are reacting wayyyy faster than they used to, so why not have a transmission that matches up that you can get the most out of the car with?

I'd also like to take the time and say that the US is the only market to get the new M cars in 6spd as well... SO FUCK YEAH BMW!

I'd almost always take a 3 pedal, but having that option for DSG or whatever the manufacturer calls it, is definitely a nice bonus.

[MommysLittleMonster]

While I agree, it is still not a matter of get in and all of a sudden you are the best driver in the world. Driving in these new cars with flappy paddle lightning shift boxes is still not easy, and it does take skill and finesse to really get the most out of them.

Do I think traditional 3 pedal is more fun? Absolutely. Does it provide me with a certain satisfaction that nothing else can quite replicate? Absolutely. But cars are so much more advanced now, with all of these computers and 50 types of traction control, damper stiffening, etc, the cars are reacting wayyyy faster than they used to, so why not have a transmission that matches up that you can get the most out of the car with?

I'd also like to take the time and say that the US is the only market to get the new M cars in 6spd as well... SO FUCK YEAH BMW!

I'd almost always take a 3 pedal, but having that option for DSG or whatever the manufacturer calls it, is definitely a nice bonus.

I agree 100%. I just really hope manufacturers would retain the option of a traditional manual transmission or floppy paddle gearbox, not just one or the other. I refuse to even look at purchasing a car unless it has 3 pedals.

[P78]

dsg has exactly that, for when you are cruising, put it in auto, sporty driving and race, use the gear lever or flappy paddle

personally i'm a fan of this

[HKSpeed]

i read an article in Motortrend or Car & Driver last year stating that americans and europeans have different views about manual transmissions. the article said europeans view manuals as a cost saving option, like getting manual windows or no A/C to save money when buying a beater car. conversely americans associate manuals with performance in sports cars. so an american would demand a manual in a M5 because its a sports car. an european would demand the fancy auto in a M5 because its considered an option befitting a luxury car. in a toyota corolla the american would demand an auto because the car isn't sporty in the first place and the auto is viewed as a convenience option like power windows. a european would get a manual in a corolla because it's a beater (would be like asking for leather interior option). that's what the article stated.

[Kielan]

I agree 100%. I just really hope manufacturers would retain the option of a traditional manual transmission or floppy paddle gearbox, not just one or the other. I refuse to even look at purchasing a car unless it has 3 pedals.

I remember being 16 lol.

[SuperMegaDeathRay]

i read an article in Motortrend or Car & Driver last year stating that americans and europeans have different views about manual transmissions. the article said europeans view manuals as a cost saving option, like getting manual windows or no A/C to save money when buying a beater car. conversely americans associate manuals with performance in sports cars. so an american would demand a manual in a M5 because its a sports car. an european would demand the fancy auto in a M5 because its considered a luxury option. in a toyota corolla the american would demand an auto because the car isn't sporty in the first place and the auto is viewed as a convenience option like power windows. a european would get a manual in a corolla because it's beater (would be like asking for leather interior option). that's what the article stated.

it's not only about saving up costs on purchase...it's also a gas saving issue...until a few years ago the manual transmission was more efficient in comparison to automatic transmissions...besides 7, 8 or 9 speed ats and double clutch stuff the ordinary manual seems to be the gas guzzler ...but it's still pure fun...but i would definitley prefer the double clutch over torque converter trannys...

[MommysLittleMonster]

I remember being 16 lol.

I see what you did there, Kelly. That's cute.

Maybe I should be more specific: I would never buy a toy/fun/sport/race car in an automatic.

It's got nothing to do with age or mindset, some of us just prefer a car with 3 pedals. I wouldn't consider buying a car that I want to enjoy driving in an automatic- it detracts such a large amount of fun from any car. Now, if you were to talk about a pickup truck, or an SUV, maybe even a big, cruiser car- that's a little bit of a different story.