What does "Stanced" mean to you?

[Stephen]

i stanced your mother last night

[BLKonBLK98]

Now then, who wants to debate what I have said.

i agree with everything you said except for this:

I'd like to refer you to Royal_T's sig, the part where it says "True offset is achieved WITHOUT spacers."

it was almost as ridiculous as a sig as it is as a quote of confirmation.

offset is not a buzzword. it is not slang for awesome fitment. offset (in this context) is the distance from the center line of the wheel to the mounting hub. there is no truer offset, only offset or lack off offset.

i'll go one step further and say f**k offset. it is simply a byproduct of backspacing and width.

Stance
Noun

2 a : a way of standing or being placed : posture b : intellectual or emotional attitude

surprise, surprise... stance was defined long ago (14th century).

notice the acknowledgment of both the physical and intangible. also noteworthy is that "stance" is a noun and does not contain the "-ed" suffix. "stanced" is not a word and therefore has no legitimate meaning.

now who's gonna debate that?

[Oxer]

Oh man... I was just getting warmed up

[FreshLikeSushi]

few hours ago maybe.
now im bored

[Oxer]

but drifters dont poke, they flush.

im trying to find out where POKE came from.
The flush/w strech came from japan with the VIP cars in the 80s wanting to run wider wheels adn lower offsets. plus to be flush you kinda have to strech a tire.

I must rebut. Its not common, But from the various footage I have seen from japland, there are drifters that poke. Also Poking has been a part of the bosozoku style for years, again not common, there are instances where they do poke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTYxuoINJHQ

Here is a vid from SpeedHunters, at 00:50 the blue Laurel has noticable poke, more so in the front as the rear has a bolt on flare, but its poke none the less.

I encourage a healthy debate, but you can't explain/prove what "stance" is. You can only "explain" it in your own PERSONAL TASTE. There is no right or wrong. You don't have to like all of it. It's all based on opinions.

This, along with posts previous to this one should have answered all the questions, and not continued in debate. The question asked is "What does Stanced mean to you", not "What does Flush mean to you".

Im attempting to encourage some friendly debate among the camps, so maybe everyone can learn a little in the process. this isnt just to ruffle feathers

Ive learned that when you dont understand something, you ask a question. If you dont understand the answer, you ask another question. If you then dont understand, then maybe it just isnt for you to understand.

After four pages of answers and opinions and debates, it appears it is infact to ruffle feathers.

funny thing about that is people will buy the overpriced way too agressive ones and look bad before they'll buy the mild sizes and run spacers. "offset is everything". lmfao.

I'd like to reffer you to Royal_T's sig, the part where it says "True offset is achieved WITHOUT spacers."
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The term stance, as has already been said, does not have guidelines. It is the look of a car as a whole. In my opinion all these cars have "stance" in their own right.

Stance
  /stæns/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [stans] Show IPA ,

–noun
1. the position or bearing of the body while standing: legs spread in a wide stance; the threatening stance of the bull.
2. a mental or emotional position adopted with respect to something: They assumed an increasingly hostile stance in their foreign policy.
3. Sports. the relative position of the feet, as in addressing a golf ball or in making a stroke.

stance (stāns)
n.

1.

The attitude or position of a standing person or animal, especially the position assumed by an athlete preparatory to action. See Synonyms at posture.
2.

Mental posture; point of view: "Peru ... has also toughened its stance toward foreign investors" (Abraham F. Lowenthal).

Now then, who wants to debate what I have said.

[aar0n.]

funny thing about that is people will buy the overpriced way too agressive ones and look bad before they'll buy the mild sizes and run spacers. "offset is everything". lmfao.

Well dumb is dumb and lazy is lazy no matter how you cut it

[bataangpinoy]

clean, well executed, low with ok fitment, good quality work and parts that reflect the owners knowledge and taste.

[BLKonBLK98]

Most new wheels yeah, but there are quite a lot of older (80s, 90s) wheels that people like to refinish and run on cars today and it's definitely not possible when doing that.

funny thing about that is people will buy the overpriced way too agressive ones and look bad before they'll buy the mild sizes and run spacers. "offset is everything". lmfao.

[aar0n.]

[QUOTE=FreshLikeSushi;76146]

Obviously with most wheels that are available, you can't have them built to spec, QUOTE]

id venture to say that this is the minority now
Pretty much any multipiece wheel i sell is more or less built to spec within the offered sizes.

Most new wheels yeah, but there are quite a lot of older (80s, 90s) wheels that people like to refinish and run on cars today and it's definitely not possible when doing that.

[Stephen]

becuase, there is extreme precision in flushing a low offset wheel
My van tucks 19s. and it took alot of work, adjusting, and money in arms.
Maybe the whoel 20x7.5+30 on a GS400 is easy
but then tuck a 18x10+5 for instance, on the same car, and its harder

But tuck a flush at ride height wheel (like if your ride height was super duper flush, then lower it more, yuo have a tucked wheel) is sooooo redicualously a pita. now instead of just one point of hitting (top of wheel) you now have at least three. Top of wheel as it goes inside the fender, and the sides of the wheel as it could touch the sides of the fenders, and thats not even taking into affect hitting the shock, or inner arms and parts.

I remember back when i have a MK3 Vento vr6, man that was cake to flush and tuck. had 18s on it and air, wheel was less than 2mm from the fender when it tucked. nothign to worry abotu but hitting the fender. You VW guys got it easy.

i dont have a vw. But IMO anyone with decent fitment on here has gone through these headaches. At least, i know i have

[Ollie]

Ok, so let me give you a little bit of reasoning why im asking so much.

Vip guys, are fanboys, yeah. BUT at least our fitment is still suitable for DD without posibility of crushing fenders while being low
We strech tires, becuase with perfect fitment, as your wheel goes into the fender, a square tire would stop it. a round sidewall lets it. So there is a reason for us to do it. We keep body lines, fender arch lines, etc in tact, and everything is within MM of clearance (or at least if you do it right)

Now on the other end. I see stuff like this:
awww fuck, well cause of work filters i cant see the pics i saw at home.

basically, people just put a fender roller on their car, and pull as far as possible, destroying body lines and arch lines, to kinda fit the tire under the fender.
It just seems people are putting their wheels outside the fenders to do it nowadays. Some of the older mk1/mk2 cars it looks right on cause of the overall look of the car.
But to have to run 16s, so your wheels and tires are so small that you can be fake low, just kills it.
Id much rather see a mk4/3 on 18s, at the same height of the 16 guys, with correct fitment, becuase it shows workmanship, dedication, time.

i can slap some shit thats too wide on a car in an hour if i wanted to.
So i think it goes more into workmanship and finesse more than anything. ive seen one VW on here that had poke i liked. the rest are just like, " Hey im gonna be cooler htan you and poke 2" more on a stock body".

I have to agree with this post. I love VIP styling. VIPs do it right imo, compared to anyone who rapes their fenders and body lines to make an unfitting wheel fit. That's not to say that stance is flush and fitting.

To answer your earlier question I believe extreme poke came from the idea that lower and wider is always better. Therefore people took that and kept pushing the wheel farther and farther and farther. Not my style personally. Some people go super low but narrow. Some go super wide, but not as low. This is also relative to wheel diamater, obviously as you can put a 15x12" wheel on an e36 and lay frame but you get the point. My favorite type of stance is finding the perfect combination of going as low as possible and as wide as possible, which to me equals flushness. To others it's a different combination.

I believe that stance as a definition is very broad. To me, it's the way a car sits and if sits badass, it's got stance. To me a car does not need to be low, wide or anything specific at all. It just has to have the look. To me, my favorite stance is by far flush, but I do not **** on other styles and forms of stances.

[BLKonBLK98]

ok... now back to "stanced". lol.

[FreshLikeSushi]

becuase, there is extreme precision in flushing a low offset wheel
My van tucks 19s. and it took alot of work, adjusting, and money in arms.
Maybe the whoel 20x7.5+30 on a GS400 is easy
but then tuck a 18x10+5 for instance, on the same car, and its harder

But tuck a flush at ride height wheel (like if your ride height was super duper flush, then lower it more, yuo have a tucked wheel) is sooooo redicualously a pita. now instead of just one point of hitting (top of wheel) you now have at least three. Top of wheel as it goes inside the fender, and the sides of the wheel as it could touch the sides of the fenders, and thats not even taking into affect hitting the shock, or inner arms and parts.

I remember back when i have a MK3 Vento vr6, man that was cake to flush and tuck. had 18s on it and air, wheel was less than 2mm from the fender when it tucked. nothign to worry abotu but hitting the fender. You VW guys got it easy.

[Stephen]

so i'd say that poke or tuck can be precise and, in fact, should be but still niether is as precise as flush because it is not open to interpretation.

agreed?

I would agree to that. Thats what i was getting at. Poke and tuck don't have to be precise, but should be

[BLKonBLK98]

...poke isnt precise. Neither is tucked...

... i meant tucking completely. Whell included. Just genereally unflush

you might be surprised what some of the japanese cats are doing over there. i like to call it "flush-tuck" (tucked but with the outer edge of the lip at the same angle and extremely close to the fender). there are better examples but here's a decent one:



so i'd say that poke or tuck can be somewhat precise and, in fact, should be but still niether is as precise as flush because it is not open to interpretation.

agreed?