What does "Stanced" mean to you?

[FreshLikeSushi]

I apologize guys, i took this way off topic. sorry again!

[Stephen]

Yes you can take poke too far.

That doesnt make all poke bad.

Plenty DD with poke, its not as bad as youd imagine. and you need to stretch to properly poke rim, tuck tire.

[Rally]

ok, so how does that translate to a trend over here? They HAVE to do it, the US doesnt. So just a bunch of fanboys were like, i wanna be like them?
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It's pretty simple IMO. People just like the look. It gives a nice, wide, squat stance. It has nothing to do with copying anyone or being fanboys...it's just a preference just like you obviously like the flush look. I'm not into the crazy "3 inch poke" that you've brought up, but I think a car looks infinitely better poking a bit like cal's silver gti posted earlier.

Just like any car styling trend, some people take it to an extreme and it starts looking goofy, but when executed well poke can look killer.

Here's a good example of how a car can either be flush or rock some poke and still have a legit stance.

Same car, similar photo angle, different takes on "stance".

[FreshLikeSushi]

Ok, so let me give you a little bit of reasoning why im asking so much.

Vip guys, are fanboys, yeah. BUT at least our fitment is still suitable for DD without posibility of crushing fenders while being low
We strech tires, becuase with perfect fitment, as your wheel goes into the fender, a square tire would stop it. a round sidewall lets it. So there is a reason for us to do it. We keep body lines, fender arch lines, etc in tact, and everything is within MM of clearance (or at least if you do it right)

Now on the other end. I see stuff like this:
awww fuck, well cause of work filters i cant see the pics i saw at home.

basically, people just put a fender roller on their car, and pull as far as possible, destroying body lines and arch lines, to kinda fit the tire under the fender.
It just seems people are putting their wheels outside the fenders to do it nowadays. Some of the older mk1/mk2 cars it looks right on cause of the overall look of the car.
But to have to run 16s, so your wheels and tires are so small that you can be fake low, just kills it.
Id much rather see a mk4/3 on 18s, at the same height of the 16 guys, with correct fitment, becuase it shows workmanship, dedication, time.

i can slap some shit thats too wide on a car in an hour if i wanted to.
So i think it goes more into workmanship and finesse more than anything. ive seen one VW on here that had poke i liked. the rest are just like, " Hey im gonna be cooler htan you and poke 2" more on a stock body".

[Han]

It's not really for "no reason." Like people have mentioned, it's just a style. Hell, the majority of "car enthusiasts" **** stretch and thinks the tires are going to blow up and/or fall off.

Styling and aesthetics cannot be proven right or wrong and you don't have to have a "reason" to do it.

[Stephen]

The wider track is about looking wider, not track use.


So then VIP guys over here are just fanboys too?

[FreshLikeSushi]

ok, so how does that translate to a trend over here? They HAVE to do it, the US doesnt. So just a bunch of fanboys were like, i wanna be like them?

and dont give me the wider track thing. 98.99999% of you guys running poke, arent on a race track, so the 60mm wider track you get by putting spacers, or a lower offset isnt going to make a difference.

I wish they made the TH-lines in 19s though. :sigh:

i understand the poke thing, when its done for what the germans do it for. but i can point out maybe 20-30 cars i saw on google images, whose tire definately extends WAY out of the fender, for no reason.

[Stephen]

Like i said earlier, the german TUV laws required that the tire could not pass the fender, however it said nothing about wheels.

Also a flush 195 on an 8 has a narrower track than a 195 thats poked, thus getting wide

[Han]

but drifters dont poke, they flush.

im trying to find out where POKE came from.
The flush/w strech came from japan with the VIP cars in the 80s wanting to run wider wheels adn lower offsets. plus to be flush you kinda have to strech a tire.

Right. I kind of jumbled that in there, but poke is from Europe from the laws. Over here in the states, you first see "poke" from the hydro'd low-riders. You mix and match, flush, stretch, low-rider poke, laws, and a whole other bunch of influences and you see the common "stretch and poke" from here and Europe.

[FreshLikeSushi]

but drifters dont poke, they flush.

im trying to find out where POKE came from.
The flush/w strech came from japan with the VIP cars in the 80s wanting to run wider wheels adn lower offsets. plus to be flush you kinda have to strech a tire.

[Han]

Poke is from the laws in Europe about their tires sticking out their fenders. People wanted to run wider wheels but kept near stock tire sizes and just stretched them while putting them on 2"+ wider wheels.

From a race perspective, wider wheels with stretch (commonly attributed with drifting), would constitute stiffer sidewalls from the stretch and increased section width, but decreased overall contact patch to "lose" traction easier for "drifting."

[NELSON09]

I was under the understanding that the whole stretched tire thing started overseas where people wanted to run wider wheels, but there's laws against tire tread sticking out past fenders sooo stretch.

[FreshLikeSushi]

There is tons of reason to run Flush
Being able to go lower than you poke guys, with bigger wheels.

Tight fitment, doesnt include 3 inches of wheel outside of the fenderwell.
I get the style. thats cool. but is there a technical reason behind it?

Like flush, well not even flush, but good fitting wheels. They fit well because they dont hit anything. Being aggressive, and pushing offsets as someone said above, is done while still maintaining full travel of the wheel. If i wanted to run 16" wheels when i should be running 18s, sure i could poke, since my frame would hit before my tire touches the fender.

But some guys arent near low enough for that to happen, so im just seriously inquiring as to the history etc of it. Was it some awesome race legend that started it? Or what rule was it used to skirt in germany as one said above.

Im attempting to encourage some friendly debate among the camps, so maybe everyone can learn a little in the process. this isnt just to ruffle feathers

[Rally]

But im just wondering why you guys poke, when there isnt a reason to.

It doesn't have any less "reason" than running a flush setup. There isn't any "reason" to run flush other than aesthetic value and the same holds true for poking. It's a look that some owners love. That's sorta the whole "reason" for the stance thing isn't it? To look good and have a tight fitment

I've run poke for a few years now and never buckled or damaged an arch. That's what stretched tires and camber are for.

[Stephen]

It comes to an extremely brief answer of: It's a style. Much like "flush" is style, stretch and "poke" is a style.

+1

If youre so practical minded, why be this low? Or hell, why even me flush? stock height and tucked is much more practical. Its just the style

Edit: im not trying to come off as a douche, its just the truth. Pretty much all styles of aggressive fitment are impractical. If they werent, im sure all cars would be beefier