1 1/2 years and still no low. lol 4x4 for life

[baggedb16sentra]

alright i was thinking that also not sure who would need this tank though, kinda sucks being mislead by him but moving on with it now.

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

I wouldn't trust water traps to do the job for you. They catch a lot of the water, but not all. Water buildup will still be an issue.

Looking at Firestone's website, it looks like you've got a Firestone 9127, which has two 1/4" NPT ports. You can make that tank work, but it's going to limit you in a couple of ways. The small ports mean running any larger than 1/4" line to your valve block won't make much difference (technically there's some slight advantage to larger line due to some fluid dynamics concerns, but that's beyond the range of this discussion), so you're going to have the slow rise rate that Smokenyall was concerned about earlier in the thread. You'll also have to either have a port added for a drain, or mount the tank vertically to allow for water draining. That's pretty lame.

What I would do is sell that tank and buy something different. If you wanted, you could do a really sweet-looking install with something like this or one of AirLift's other tanks with the four ports on the face. I'd plumb your compressors into the ports on the end caps, one on either side, and run a hard line down from each of the side ports down to the floor, and then onwards to your valve block. Something like this super-realistic MS Paint drawing:



^ I always knew all those art classes would pay off one day

[baggedb16sentra]

my tank is actually a 3 gallon tank instead of a 5.. i guess what i need to do is figure out whether to buy a new tank and the water traps or just the water traps. Now that im thinking about this its weird nothing was said to me buy the person that sold me this stuff the kit was piece by piece do to my money situation but still.

[baggedb16sentra]

what would you recommend? i just called my supplier he said i would need 2 water traps i believe the tanks are firestone tanks? $100 for 2 water traps with fittings to be shipped to me?

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

Alright, so, since you have what appears to be a steel tank and don't have a standard drain port, you've got a decision to make. Even though you live in a desert area, you're still going to get water buildup inside your tank, though at a much slower rate than, say, I do, here in the rainforest.

This condensation, limited though it may be, will be an opportunity for rust, which is the point of the drain on the tank, to get that water out of there at regular intervals. Thus, I personally don't trust steel tanks without the provision for draining them.

As far as I see it, you've got a couple of options:

1. You could get a different tank, one with a drain port.
2. You also could mount the tank either vertically or at a steep angle in order to allow water to flow out of the tank and back into a leader line. You then can install a drain somewhere on the leader line, and that'll get the water out of there. If you wanted to mount the tank at an angle, you actually could do a pretty cool-looking install.

You might think that adding a water trap will solve the problem, but a water trap never catches 100% of the water in the air, just a large percentage of it.

[baggedb16sentra]

1/2 and 1/4 for the ports?

[baggedb16sentra]

now that i think about it i think there is only the 2 ports on the tank.

[baggedb16sentra]

i honestly don't think there is another port on the bottom. and ill find out the brand for you in a bit at work atm.

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

So, is there a single female port on each end of the tank? There ought to be another port at the very bottom to allow for a drain.

I'll also need the port sizes on the tank. 1/4" NPT and 3/8" NPT are the common ones.

EDIT: Better yet, what brand / model of tank is this?

[baggedb16sentra]

tank has 2 from what i have seen when i looked at my tank.

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

Not at all. It's my pleasure.

More fittings means more opportunities for leaks. That said, PTC fittings are pretty rad and seal really surprisingly well. I've got absolute BOATLOADS of fittings on my setup, since it's so bloody complicated, and you know what, the only leaks I've had to fight with are on NPT fittings. Every one of the PTCs has sealed perfectly.

Quick question: how many ports does your tank have? That'll help make the decision for us.

[baggedb16sentra]

i guess im stuck on what to run. I heard that there might be issues with more fittings you have for as leaking wise for the system, im probably bugging you with my stupid questions do appreciate your knowledge though.

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

Cool. You'll be fine without water traps. We'll just make sure your tank has a drain, and you'll be fine. There's such little humidity where you're at and the climate's so warm that I doubt very much it'll be an issue.

You've still got a decision to make on what to run to your valve block. The options are as follows:

Single 1/4": Easy, cheap, and slow
Quad 1/4" like Smokenyall's ride back on page 1: Harder to run, requires lots of line, but will fill the bags as fast as the valves allow
Dual 3/8": Requires half as much line as quad 1/4" and easier to package, but requires a fair number of fittings. Will fill just as fast as quad 1/4".
Single 1/2": Same advantages and disadvantages as dual 3/8", but requires even less line, though the fittings are harder to find.

I'd either run quad 1/4" or dual 3/8" were it me. Single 1/2" would be ideal, but DOT fittings are less commonplace. Just depends on how much line you think you can cram under the carpet in your interior versus how many fittings you want to have. Let me know what you decide, and we'll go from there.

[baggedb16sentra]

Last photo is what holds the fuse to for the power to the compressor. That part you want to mount right near your battery, when you hook it all up

http://www.bagriders.com/modlab/tech/install_manuals/bag_riders/bag_riders-manual-management_instructions.pdf

Top left hand corner of the second page of the pdf shows how to mount it and wire it up

kinda wanna do the dual compressor without water traps, im in tucson so ive been told not to get water traps and ill be fine. This is also going to be my DD so i would need something realiable also.

[baggedb16sentra]

compressors are dual 444c viair basically wanna keep it simple.