2008 Slammed Jeep Patriot

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Is there any liftover on the rear sill, or is the floor flush to the sill? The reason I ask is that you could always raise the false floor if you need to.

If you run the pancake tank, you can run SMC swivel elbows for additional vertical clearance, or better yet, cap the top ports with a flush plug, and do everything through a manifold connected to the single port on the bottom.

EDIT: WTF is up with my editing today?

It's flush with the false floor, and the hinge itself is apart of the sill.

The manifold idea is a pretty good one, the pancake tank is sort of ugly and people would see it and be like... it's not even hooked up.

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

Is there any liftover on the rear sill, or is the floor flush to the sill? The reason I ask is that you could always raise the false floor if you need to.

If you run the pancake tank, you can run SMC swivel elbows for additional vertical clearance, or better yet, cap the top ports with a flush plug, and do everything through a manifold connected to the single port on the bottom.

EDIT: WTF is up with my editing today?

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Are you going to display the components, or do you want them hidden?

You might consider the Air Lift Pancake Tank for that location: http://bagriders.com/modlab/products...CAKE-TANK.html

Part of me wants hidden, while the other part want's to clean the rear hatch area up and make it "showy". I think for the time being, I'd rather get it in there and tucked away, and once I get the car to another level, go back and start doing hardlines, and clean up the rear end to get that covered. My rear plastics are beat up really bad, and that awkward cutout from when I was 16 and felt like that was a great idea to install a subwoofer behind that panel (which blew) so that's a little more than I can handle money wise right now.

The pancake tank may actually be a good call, I'm worried with a circular tank the false floor is not going to be able to close.
My concern is nowhere it lists it's max PSI.

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

Are you going to display the components, or do you want them hidden?

You might consider the Air Lift Pancake Tank for that location: http://bagriders.com/modlab/products...CAKE-TANK.html

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I'm just going to throw a few things out and see how it goes. I'm torn between going one tank 5-7 gallons or two tanks 2.5-3 each.
Space where I've decided the setup will go, I'll grind down the post in the middle when the time comes. I just hope this the false floor will close!



One tank idea:


Two Tank idea:

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Graph paper is a good place to start too. Don't feel like you have to actually draw all the parts or do anything to scale. A generic flowchart is just as good for system planning as anything fancy.

I understand. I'm extremely visual, so I feel like once I write everything out it'll make lots more sense. Right now I'm just so overwhelmed with the process.

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

Graph paper is a good place to start too. Don't feel like you have to actually draw all the parts or do anything to scale. A generic flowchart is just as good for system planning as anything fancy.

[Creation]

I would only bother with flow controls if you feel you need them after installation. I wanted them on mine because my car's weight balance is very front-heavy, and I wanted the car to air up and down perfectly evenly and fairly slowly.

If you feel you need flow controls after the fact, they're easy to install inline on the lines that run to your bags.

Thank you. I lost access to the mac I was using so I guess I'm going to buy a whiteboard and draw all this out or something blown up.

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

I would only bother with flow controls if you feel you need them after installation. I wanted them on mine because my car's weight balance is very front-heavy, and I wanted the car to air up and down perfectly evenly and fairly slowly. The only thing they do is limit the air flow rate through the lines - there are no other advantages, and if you can avoid them, that's a bunch of failure points eliminated, not to mention about $100 worth of fittings.

If you feel you need flow controls after the fact, they're easy to install inline on the lines that run to your bags.

[Creation]

Keep in mind a lot of the systems on Amazon aren't half as complete as what Bag Riders offers. You get a LOT for your money from those guys.

NPT is the threaded style fitting you'll be using, and often times parts are just listed as NPT, which is find so long as they're the size you need or you can adapt. More specifically, FNPT is female, MNPT is male. MNPT threads into FNPT. FNPT needs a NPT pipe nipple to connect to FNPT, and two MNPTs can be connected with an NPT bushing. It's a lot more straightforward than it sounds.

That's good to know about the amazon shops, I wasn't aware.

And now the fitting makes much more sense. Are flow controls recommended? And is the use just for controlling the air down speed?

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

Keep in mind a lot of the systems on Amazon aren't half as complete as what Bag Riders offers. You get a LOT for your money from those guys.

NPT is the threaded style fitting you'll be using, and often times parts are just listed as NPT of whatever size. More specifically, FNPT is female, MNPT is male. MNPT threads into FNPT. FNPT needs a NPT pipe nipple to connect to FNPT, and two MNPTs can be connected with an NPT bushing. It's a lot more straightforward than it sounds.

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I don't believe Bag Riders includes a safety valve in their packages, if that's who you're getting your stuff from. Bag Riders considers the Schrader inflation valve they include to be the tank drain, but I have never particularly liked that idea. In any case, since you're running twin tanks, you need a drain at the bottom of each.

What do you mean by which style fittings?

I'm not 100% set on purchasing everything through BR. I seem to find cheaper prices everywhere else, specifically from one shop on amazon. I know they price match, but I'm not sure if it's even worth the hassle of sending them 50+ links and asking for them to price match when I could just buy from the others.

By fittings I mean like NPT, FNPT, there's a few more I keep seeing and I'm just like uhhhhhh

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

I don't believe Bag Riders includes a safety valve in their packages, if that's who you're getting your stuff from. Bag Riders considers the Schrader inflation valve they include to be the tank drain, but I have never particularly liked that idea. In any case, since you're running twin tanks, you need a drain at the bottom of each.

What do you mean by which style fittings?

[Creation]

Make sure you have two tank drains and a safety valve in there.

Would those be included in the "tank fitting package"? I'm also stuck on which style fittings to run.

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

Make sure you have two tank drains and a safety valve in there.