Inability to enjoy new cars..

[motocaddy]

I would have to disagree, having driven a number of new cars recently and driving their older counterparts. New cars are just as much fun to drive.

People bitch about the 991 having electric steering, 99% of those people, have never even driven a 991.

This.

This $10k car is my daily driver.


This week, this $100k+ car is my daily (bday present from my wife):


Don't get me wrong, I love my e36, but this 991 Cab S is better in every single way! Even in ways I didn't even know a car could be better! The 991 blows my mind with acceleration, handling, brakes, and has damn near the luxury of a Bentley! I've only spent two days with the car (2 more left!) and it's an incredible experience.

The e36 is great "bang-for-the-buck" considering it's 1/10 the cost of admission, but there's plenty of benefits to new cars. Sure scraping around town with tight fitment is good fun, but I'm not kidding myself that this 991 is about as good as car driving gets!

I'd compare it to a semi-hot girl who's a freak in the sheets (old car). No doubt she can get you off, but, given the chance, you know you'd rather have a night with a Victoria's Secret Angel of your choice (new car).

Of course paying for it is a completely different conversation...

[Rob&co]

Honestly man, there is nothing complicated about e28, e30 and e36. Maybe the e36 because it has modules but no real significant difference in working on a japanese electrical system or a 80's german car. It's just relays and fuses.

My point is more based on quality of the actual material used to manufacture with... I mean the new bmw paint even sucks, lol damn robo orange peal!

[Jesus Christ]

Honestly man, there is nothing complicated about e28, e30 and e36. Maybe the e36 because it has modules but no real significant difference in working on a japanese electrical system or a 80's german car. It's just relays and fuses.

[Ieatpeople]

I've never encountered an electronics issue. All of my issues are because of shitty maintenance practices by POs that I've had to fix.

i wish i had been that lucky. im gonna stick with japanese and american cars from now on.


if for some reason i come into a HUGE amount of money, i may consider another german car.

[ShwnPtrck]

unfortunately, i think you're exactly right.

Its amazing how much people love unreliable cars (bmw and vw to be specific). Mechanically they work fine, but all the computers mess everything up.

i have owned 3 e30s, 3 e28's, and an e36. I do not currently own, nor do i ever plan on buying, another BMW. I've had enough of the wiring issues and sketchy electronics.

I've owned one bmw, never again

[Kielan]

unfortunately, i think you're exactly right.

Its amazing how much people love unreliable cars (bmw and vw to be specific). Mechanically they work fine, but all the computers mess everything up.

i have owned 3 e30s, 3 e28's, and an e36. I do not currently own, nor do i ever plan on buying, another BMW. I've had enough of the wiring issues and sketchy electronics.

I've never encountered an electronics issue. All of my issues are because of shitty maintenance practices by POs that I've had to fix.

[Ieatpeople]

So what is everyone here who preaches about E30s and E28s going to do? Drive E39s and E46s and pretend like they're gods gift to the world? Claim they have so much character in comparison to the new models?

They'll be 20 year old "classics".

unfortunately, i think you're exactly right.

Its amazing how much people love unreliable cars (bmw and vw to be specific). Mechanically they work fine, but all the computers mess everything up.

i have owned 3 e30s, 3 e28's, and an e36. I do not currently own, nor do i ever plan on buying, another BMW. I've had enough of the wiring issues and sketchy electronics.

[MommysLittleMonster]

In 10 years when the cars of today are getting up in their age and miles, I'll be curious to see where you all stand on this matter.

They'll be affordable and kids will end up buying them and ruining them. Kind of like what we did in the early 2000's.

Difference is, we'll be the old fucks driving around in muscle car-esque "classics" that will be revered.


"Holy shit, you have an M3 that doesn't have a GPS tracker or wheelspin detector? That's so badass!"
"And I can even turn off the traction control just by pushing a button."

[Kielan]

it will come down to "the lesser of 2 evils". A 2013 BMW will seem basic and unsophisticated compared to all the gadgets in a 2023 BMW.

some of the e65 7-series are 10 years old now, and i would never consider buying one. too many known electrical/electronic issues. imagine how bad it will be 10 years from now...

So what is everyone here who preaches about E30s and E28s going to do? Drive E39s and E46s and pretend like they're gods gift to the world? Claim they have so much character in comparison to the new models?

They'll be 20 year old "classics".

[Ieatpeople]

In 10 years when the cars of today are getting up in their age and miles, I'll be curious to see where you all stand on this matter.

it will come down to "the lesser of 2 evils". A 2013 BMW will seem basic and unsophisticated compared to all the gadgets in a 2023 BMW.

some of the e65 7-series are 10 years old now, and i would never consider buying one. too many known electrical/electronic issues. imagine how bad it will be 10 years from now...

[nellydragracer]

In 10 years when the cars of today are getting up in their age and miles, I'll be curious to see where you all stand on this matter.

Me too. I'm sure people, 20, 30, 40 years ago were saying the same thing about the new cars of their day.

[Kielan]

In 10 years when the cars of today are getting up in their age and miles, I'll be curious to see where you all stand on this matter.

[Ieatpeople]

a few cars were made with way too many electronics for the time.

you must be talking about german cars, needlessly complicated with way too many electronic doo-hickeys.

I love when I see guys that are under 25 saying they'd never drive a new car....well if you can't even afford a new car, I don't really think that's a valid argument lol.

i bought my first brand new car when i was 18 (no co-signer), 2007 honda civic Si sedan. I paid it off in under 4 years, and gave it to my sister to drive to college (she totaled it 4 months later).

I bought another brand new car when i was 22 (again, no-cosigner). 2010 silverado, i kept it until february of this year, and i sold it with just under 50k miles for more than i owed on it.

both cars were great, but there were far too many electronic things to work with. i like being able to bolt on parts and feel the performance increase immediately, without being FORCED to re-tune/re-flash

Will i buy another brand new car? highly unlikely.
Older cars are easier to mod, less complicated to work on, and its easier to find low cost (not cheap) quality parts.


The insurance is much cheaper on an older car, especially since you don't need full coverage.

[apexilude]

In old m5's there are no auto dim mirrors to kill mint e39 m5's interiors. POS wouldnt have leaked and killed my perfect trim pieces. end rant

Something about older bmw's. Classy...

[mrg7243]

You're crazy if you don't think muscle cars are fun to drive. Yeah they suck if you're trying to go fast and take turns, but they are fun as fuck to drive around town! Plus you just feel cool.

They are fun cause you get eyeball fucked by most everybody on the road. I have driven my moms 65 t-bird, several 67-71 camaros, 65 mustang, 71 mustang, 70 challenger and a 63 vette. The vette was the easiest and funnest to drive. Everything else just sucked when I am trying to navigate the backroads that I live on. Hell anything bigger than a civic sucks to drive where I am at.