Inability to enjoy new cars..

[NegativeCamber]

I've had a lot more fun in my Dad's Prius than I care to admit.

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[Spirit]

Driven lots of fast new cars but everyone misses the point on how a car makes you feel if you love cars like me.my e36 feels connected with the driver and fun to drive without all the aids of new cars kicking in even though new ones are everyday more comfortable to drive .
Both have a place in modding but down to the individual how they want to go about it.

For the record my fav drivers car is still the e39 m5

[Kielan]

+1.

And now I know your a Prius-loving wierdo.

Oh I **** it, but on the rare occasion I have to drive it, and I'm alone in the car, I won't say that it hasn't been airborne.

[MommysLittleMonster]

Also, my last point for this thread, if you can't get into any car and at least find one way to enjoy it, you're probably doing it wrong.

+1.

And now I know your a Prius-loving wierdo.

[Kielan]

Also, my last point for this thread, if you can't get into any car and at least find one way to enjoy it, you're probably doing it wrong.

I've had a lot more fun in my Dad's Prius than I care to admit, taking that thing to it's limits is a ton of fun.

[Ieatpeople]

OP is right and anyone who disagrees is wrong and dumb.

All my cars have carbs with no powersteering, no abs, no traction control, no AC, and well no power options at all. I will never have it any other way.

good luck driving something carb-ed in another 10 years, the EPA will ream your ass so wide you could drive a train in there.
edit: i see you're an oregon hipster, the EPA will gently caress your scrotum and thank you for being ahead of your time.



i love people that "don't need a/c". if you want to purposefully make yourself uncomfortable, fine you do that,

i don't mind driving with the windows down when its hot, but i **** humidity. with no a/c you're screwed if its super humid outside. in my area, the average humidity is 78% from may to september. that's the average, its usually 85-87% in the morning and and 70-72% while driving home. i see no point in arriving at work already sweating...

[MommysLittleMonster]

I have an e39 (not brand new but still new compared to most of my cars) that whenever I drive makes me long to be in an e30. Yet after I drive around in an e30 (and love every minute of it), getting back in the e39 just feels comfortable and relaxing. They're both great for different reasons.

I know this feel.

I drive my M3 for a week and absolutely love the quiet, the power, and the reliability that comes along with it. After a little bit, I long to drive something that gets attention and is a little bit "rougher". So I drive my Prelude for a week, burn a quart of oil and clear the evap code for the check engine light, fight to get out of the Recaro with my coffee and lunch in hand, and long to drive something that doesn't need to be constantly fucked with. So I drive the M3, and the cycle repeats endlessly.

[montgomery]

OP is right and anyone who disagrees is wrong and dumb.

All my cars have carbs with no powersteering, no abs, no traction control, no AC, and well no power options at all. I will never have it any other way.

[Rebounder]

So what is everyone here who preaches about E30s and E28s going to do? Drive E39s and E46s and pretend like they're gods gift to the world? Claim they have so much character in comparison to the new models?

They'll be 20 year old "classics".

drive brzs and ft86s. not sure what people will use for a simple down to earth sedan though

[Khalil]

They both have their merits, it's really personal preference. You really do get more connection to an older car, and it's because you can look at it and see how it works. There are mechanical linkages to things, you can see tooling marks when you fix them, you can repair most of the parts rather then replacing them. Those are the things that create the character that people talk about. New cars are all made to perfection by machines, they have electricity making all the connections, and you need a scan tool to fix most things. The cars feel disconnected, because they are.

But then again, it's extremely nice to get in a car that will save you no matter what you do, where the only gauges you need to look at are the speed and fuel level, that has a warranty, that will get you from A to B with no issues and in complete comfort.

I have an e39 (not brand new but still new compared to most of my cars) that whenever I drive makes me long to be in an e30. Yet after I drive around in an e30 (and love every minute of it), getting back in the e39 just feels comfortable and relaxing. They're both great for different reasons.

This 100x times over.

[ShwnPtrck]

In the end,

Every car is different and not only by the way it handles but by the driver as well. We all know this, as far as which is better, best or horrible..There are cars out there that just SUCK. I will admit...but there are some that are amazing, no matter new or old.

[Byron]

They both have their merits, it's really personal preference. You really do get more connection to an older car, and it's because you can look at it and see how it works. There are mechanical linkages to things, you can see tooling marks when you fix them, you can repair most of the parts rather then replacing them. Those are the things that create the character that people talk about. New cars are all made to perfection by machines, they have electricity making all the connections, and you need a scan tool to fix most things. The cars feel disconnected, because they are.

But then again, it's extremely nice to get in a car that will save you no matter what you do, where the only gauges you need to look at are the speed and fuel level, that has a warranty, that will get you from A to B with no issues and in complete comfort.

I have an e39 (not brand new but still new compared to most of my cars) that whenever I drive makes me long to be in an e30. Yet after I drive around in an e30 (and love every minute of it), getting back in the e39 just feels comfortable and relaxing. They're both great for different reasons.

[andybob]

Easy on the Kia's here guys.

Off the top of my head, I don't think I have really driven a 'newer' sports car so I don't really have much of an opinion on this subject.

However, my dad used to have a '94 Mustang GT that he got rid of for an 07 GT. Granted the 94 had a little motor and suspension work (bolt ons) I think that was more fun to drive than the 07 GT. I think the thing that kills the 07 is Throttle By Wire instead of cable. The response is so much different.

But with that said, even with just that as an example, throttle by wire makes more since. With throttle by cable you need a idle air control valve to adjust airflow whereas with throttle by wire the PCM can just open the throttle blade up a little bit to compensate.

I think we are at the point where the majority of electronic components are pretty consistent, sure there are exceptions, but compared to where we were 10 years ago we're miles ahead now. Who knows how reliable they'll be in the future.

From a troubleshooting standpoint, newer cars can be easier to diagnose IMO, but you need a really good scantool to communicate with them. I used to work in a small shop were even we couldn't afford them, so for the average DIY garage rat, it's even tougher. That's the biggest downside IMO.

With that said, while I've worked on German cars, Domestic, Japanese, and Korean cars, I think Korean cars are my favorite. A lot of this is because I've found my current car ridiculously easy to work on. Not to mention Kia and Hyundai's shop info is free for all. They have their own info system that's free to use and very similar to ShopKey/AllData.

Like I said, I haven't driven many new performance cars, but right now the most fun car I have ever driven was a '76 911. The interior and exterior were pretty shot, but mechanically it was sound. To this day my dream car is still an older 911.

[Rob&co]

you're main points are invalid because you base it on someone who has an issue with money, which means they are ****** because they can't afford it!

and new cars to 300k? my moms 06 kia has 275k on it, idk how many tbelts ive done on that car!

funny side not, for GM cars if a service advisor tries to put the mileage in and its greater than 200k the computer won't let them, it says that it exceeds vehicle limits....kind of funny

You're moms kia is a POS..... And You killed your point by stating you have to work on it all the time. Based also on your mothers car facts (you have provided make, miles and shit) she is also in a financial situation.



Once again I HA TE new cars and not due to the fact that they are current and priced to current market value's.......


IN 15 years when its 1200-1500 bucks I will still not buy it ya dumb fuck!

[devon.818]

NEW CAR PROBS..... FOR ALL STANCERS BEWARE!

Some require full coverage (if purchased on credit)

Full Coverage = wallet rape

Car Payments.

Higher registration fees

Cost of "non warranty items"

Warranty VOIDS (all the shit we do would void!)

I can go for days but







New cars suck. Sure I might not be able to afford one now.... But I have plenty friends with e90's e92's e46m the new 135 I also drove.... My other buddy has a e55 all great cars but would I put my self in a hole just to feel good about my self! NOPE! And Shea is right it seems that newer cars drive them selfs.... I actually like the slight wheel vibration on 80+ mph in my 27 year old car! And I like the fact that I see my engine when I open up my hood. I like changing my own oil w no reset bs involved in the cars comp. Like dealer crap! I also like that I can change my own oil for under 40 Bucks and takes about 20 min only..... Try removing plastic bs for 20mins just to get to your filter! LOL



And cheaper parts are a plus... Used/refurbished parts are even a bigger plus! I just like the feel of older cars.....






Now my car has a fresh rebuild and actually moves.....With that being said I have a pretty functional older car that I do truly love.... I don't know I just love pulling out a Dipstick to check my oil less shit to fail in the long run!







Lets see that plastic car of yours make it to 300K!

you're main points are invalid because you base it on someone who has an issue with money, which means they are ****** because they can't afford it!

and new cars to 300k? my moms 06 kia has 275k on it, idk how many tbelts ive done on that car!

funny side not, for GM cars if a service advisor tries to put the mileage in and its greater than 200k the computer won't let them, it says that it exceeds vehicle limits....kind of funny