Could the end be near?.........(Serious Discussion) Opinions welcome

[Lt. Dangle]

I honestly don't buy in to all the 2012 shit. However...


I do think about it sometimes, and here's what I have decided...

If in fact, 2012 happens, I personally have already started gathering parts, and preparing for this glorious day. I want to start off by saying that I am a pretty morbid person, and that caring about death is not really on my top priority list, I really just dont care. This will be 5 days before my 25th birthday, and I really would like to see 25, but if not...whatever.

So, I am building a "death machine" that I will hopefully be able to live out my fantasies in, on 12/21/2012. I'm going to make sure that I make 500 or more hp, and the car has been stripped of all crash/support beams, and any impact softening devices. The car is likely going to be a civic hatchback or coupe, turbo'ed with the kit that I already have...but that's besides the point.

If I find that tectonic plates are shifting, cali is falling off the US, and hurricanes and tsunamis and shit are happening, I'm simply going to go out with a bang. I will hop in this "death machine", and go do 160 (however fast I run out of gear at) pulls on the highway, and see how long I can last. Hopefully I wrap myself around a bridge, or die in a fiery crash, that makes the CNN 6 o'clock news. I just don't want 2012 to take me haha.


Either way, I dont think it will happen... and you can trust that I'll be smoking blunts and celebrating on the 22nd.

[Kielan]

Not gunna lie, if there is an earthquake and over react, and run your deathmachine or whatever, I will laugh my ass off.

[Tuck&Poke]

Seriously, fuck the invention of 24hr news networks. They have nothing to do so they over analyze stupid things like 100 birds dying. I have never heard a single person on fox say a factual statement. They just speculate. Its the most retarded shit in the world. The only fucking actual news show they have is that dude on Sunday.

A. 2012 predicts a large solar flare, which most astronomers agree is going to happen. It is no where near the largest solar flare we've ever experienced. The poles will not flip, its not even something that could happen because of a solar flare. The Mayan calander doesn't say anything about the earth ending in 2012. Tell you what though, if you really think the world is gonna end, then I'll give you a contract to sign that says after 2012 i get your house, and i'll give you 10,000 bucks now. What good is it gonna do you when the world ends anyway right?

B. BP oil spill was not a government plot. When the descision was made to drill for oil in the gulf, BP initially decided it wanted to drill something like 50 miles offshore, i can't remember the exact figures. President Obama prohibited them from drilling so close. The problem is that as you get further offshore the bottom of the ocean gets deeper. So you can blame your government for being idiotic and forcing BP to drill out there.

C. I still cannot believe that people think that the world trade center was a gov't plot. What more of a conspiracy do you need then a bunch of pissed off Muslims conspiring to hijack planes and crash them into buildings. They have shows that literally have experts go through all the "evidence" and disprove every conspiracy hack that thinks they know better. I find it insulting that people think the government would do such a despicable act. The worst thing about these stupid conspiracies is that it takes attention away from the real problem and therefore finding a solution to the real problem.

[NegativeCamber]

I find it insulting that people think the government would do such a despicable act. The worst thing about these stupid conspiracies is that it takes attention away from the real problem and therefore finding a solution to the real problem.

woah. thats going too far. i can agree on the part where more evidence is necessary for some of the conspiracy claims for that event, but you cannot state that the gov would not commit crimes against its own people, equal or greater in magnitude...in general. if you actually believe that, you haven't looked into history very well. simple example, the gulf of tonkin. a crime against the american people, equal and/or greater was committed, just in a different form.

[Tuck&Poke]

What about those two incidents is similar?

[NegativeCamber]

What about those two incidents is similar?

im not comparing the two incidents. im discussing that one particular statement and how it relates to history. it is on record that the gov has staged events/carried out false flags for a particular motivation, at the cost of human lives. to state that you cant fathom our own gov to do such a despicable act is not a correct way to look at it. although there isnt enough evidence to state that was the case for the recent attacks, you cannot rule it out just because it would shatter your paradigm.

[Tuck&Poke]

im not comparing the two incidents. im discussing that one particular statement and how it relates to history. it is on record that the gov has staged events/carried out false flags for a particular motivation, at the cost of human lives. to state that you cant fathom our own gov to do such a despicable act is not a correct way to look at it. although there isnt enough evidence to state that was the case for the recent attacks, you cannot rule it out just because it would shatter your paradigm.

yea i understand, but I'm not ruling it out because of some faith I have in the government, I'm ruling it out based on evidence and analysis of evidence made by experts. At the same time though, staging a military attack against a communist country is not the same as killing 3000 American civilians, but I do understand your point, they aren't saints that solely have the good of the people in mind. They are indeed far from that.

Correct me if I'm wrong but from my understanding the Tonkin incident was basically whatever intelligence agency involved covering its own ass for mistakes they made, which led to misinformation to the president and then that act was passed so we could do military operations in Vietnam without declaring war, or something like that, I dont know much about it.

[prod0660]

The tunkin golf resolution gave the president to power to use conventional military force with out declaring war, aka * legally can do w.e the phuck you want *

[NegativeCamber]

yea i understand, but I'm not ruling it out because of some faith I have in the government, I'm ruling it out based on evidence and analysis of evidence made by experts. At the same time though, staging a military attack against a communist country is not the same as killing 3000 American civilians, but I do understand your point, they aren't saints that solely have the good of the people in mind. They are indeed far from that.

Correct me if I'm wrong but from my understanding the Tonkin incident was basically whatever intelligence agency involved covering its own ass for mistakes they made, which led to misinformation to the president and then that act was passed so we could do military operations in Vietnam without declaring war, or something like that, I dont know much about it.

yes, i agree about the evidence part and i see where you are coming from now. i do admit, the rabbit hole is so deep with these issues. i'll give the cliffs. the gulf of tonkin incident was a staged event by our gov in which it initially had released an "official" story that we had undergone an unprovoked attack. in reality, the event never happened, but it essentially was the turning point in which 60k americans would be sent to be killed in the vietnam war. so yes, the gov is responsible for american deaths by becoming involved unjustly and indirectly killed its own though a lie.

[schroedin]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/05/2011-01-05_dead_birds_found_in_louisiana_explained_but_some_still_fear_apocalype_is_coming.html

The Louisiana mass bird deaths come hand in hand with news that scores of fish were found dead in Maryland's Chesapeake Bay while 100,000 fresh water drum fish suddenly died in the Arkansas River, 100 tons of dead fish were discovered in Brazil and dead birds dropped from the sky in Arkansas.

http://www.twitvid.com/S1W7G

Thousands of birds just swarmed us outside our hotel in Oklahoma City, OK

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/424334/wtf_more_dead_birds_fall_from_the_sky_in_sweden,_chile,_kentucky_--_dead_fish_keep_washing_ashore/

A more recent report by the Baltimore Sun places the fish kill in the Chesapeake Bay as high as Two Million. So far no one has blamed the dead fish on fireworks, so that's something for which the fireworks industry can take comfort.

Whatever is going on, shits crazy. 2 million fish dead in what is essentially my backyard? Not good at all.

[J.Wolfe]

no one on this site works for the government, the government knows more about the world then we will ever know. there are soo many questions un answered that they have answers for but will not give because we cant handle the truth. i wouldnt be surprised what information they keep from us because to be honest if they did people would loose their mind.

im not on sides, but i wouldn't be surprised if 2012 is as serious as some think. i mean if its gonna end sure as hell the government wont tell us because people would be going crazy and doing anything they want cause why else would they live under rule of something for no reason in the end. all im saying is the goverment is WAY more knowledgeable then we could ever imagine, and they know whats good with aliens, ufo's, oil spills, everything...even the supposed ending of the world. but we wont know till it happens, so just live life as they want us to

[Anonymoose]

no one on this site works for the government, the government knows more about the world then we will ever know. there are soo many questions un answered that they have answers for but will not give because we cant handle the truth. i wouldnt be surprised what information they keep from us because to be honest if they did people would loose their mind.

^This. They would not let a program air on television that says they plotted anything but what they want you to believe. I'm also not on either side but I'm an engineer and as far as the 9/11 thing goes, buildings do not collapse like the towers did. Period. There is not fucking way they would crumble like that even if the top half was cut off by the spagetti monster. I'm saying I would not be suprised if 9/11, the oil drilling (not the act of drilling as a plot, but the events that unfolded once it happened), or many other disasters have had the governments involvement. Your naive if you believe that they wouldn't terrible things for money and power. Whoever said it, just look at history.

[Rogue86]

What International Governments do behind closed doors is probably best left there. Just because we're "civilised" based on the fact we have television and fast food, doesn't mean that the Government acts in the peoples best interests. The world revolves around keeping one man in his job, and that man at the moment is Obama. All decisions based on going to war, and pulling out of it, are based on keeping that mans popularity high, and keeping him on the podium for the next election.

[Oxer]

Governments are fucked, They are only out to try and make the most profit they can, and in doing so make the most rediculous decisions and waste a lot more then they profit.

As if the governments of the world truley have peoples best interests in mind... pfft. It would be on their list of priorities, but it sure as hell isnt number 1.

[kartikeya]

Governments are fucked, They are only out to try and make the most profit they can.

They also run their respective countries. Anarchy would be 400x worse than any current civilized countrie's government.

It's individual politicians who are out to make a name for themselves.