In the news; BBS goes bankrupt [again]

[prod0660]

It's pretty simple , look at how bbs does business ..very 20 years ago ...nowadays companies must cater to a buyers needs..ccw,rotiform, etc have done so well because of how they conduct ther business ...bbs is one hell of a wheel company but I'm sure as previously stated the oem demand had something to do with it ...and as for reps .and what not ..unless you got reall Lms or w.e on right now don't talk sht...most people talk a lot but infact don't even own a set of real wheels.

[J.Wolfe]

^im sure there is as im not a big one to discuss or care for this matter like some. but that's really where it lies... do you honestly care enough? if so then buy the real wheels. if not then go about your business. as i will now cause its something i dont honestly care about. i don't own a brand of wheels so it has no effect on me in life lol. point blank period. some fight this topic like direct money is put into these manufacturers business success. and if they go out of business, the individual will be out of commission as well. maybe its the stocks that is really the reason to getting everyone all riled up

[Ollie]

northmiler89

also what people dont seem to understand is rota was made and intended for one class of indivitual in the community, and real wheels like bbs were made and designed for another.

they dont touch on each others toes like people feel and preach because rota started for those who CANT afford real wheels. if that is a problem then why are we even living in a world where we are free to choose what we please.

Rota's motto isnt "we copy to steal all the customers that would buy real wheels and have them instead buy ours" its "we are going to build affordable wheels that in fact fit in with the culture of wheel designs that people like and prefer, if your not the richest, we still want to give you the opportunity to have the chance to mod a car and appreciate the look of it." these replica companies are not out to sabotage by any means... they are what we call smart. they are making more money because they are appealing to the middle and low class, which is 2/3rds the population. Good to them if they made the simple move of smart marketing and was successful.

This topic has been slaughtered to death about 20 times on this forum. If you read some of the other threads, there are very many legitimate points made as to why buying replicas is wrong. Seriously take a read and you might change your mind, or atleast have a different perspective on it. All these points that you said have been discussed and many other points that you wouldn't think of have been brought up.

[J.Wolfe]

northmiler89

also what people dont seem to understand is rota was made and intended for one class of indivitual in the community, and real wheels like bbs were made and designed for another.

they dont touch on each others toes like people feel and preach because rota started for those who CANT afford real wheels. if that is a problem then why are we even living in a world where we are free to choose what we please.

Rota's motto isnt "we copy to steal all the customers that would buy real wheels and have them instead buy ours" its "we are going to build affordable wheels that in fact fit in with the culture of wheel designs that people like and prefer, if your not the richest, we still want to give you the opportunity to have the chance to mod a car and appreciate the look of it." these replica companies are not out to sabotage by any means... they are what we call smart. they are making more money because they are appealing to the middle and low class, which is 2/3rds the population. Good to them if they made the simple move of smart marketing and was successful.

[runningpanda]

If they were cheaper, I'd buy em. A lot of em.
But they aren't. 1 customer lost until I'm about 35.
Plus, I could find a used set on ebay or where ever on the cheap. Which also doesn't help.


Oh well.

I see it like this:
It's all competition, and for those who really want the name brand, real thing, will save and get the real deal. Those who don't have the money but want the look of those fine wheels will buy the reps.
Affordability.
I'd gladly own a ferrari if I had the money, but I got a POS 84 528e, because it's all the money I had.

[J.Wolfe]

ollie

yea well these are not even common on hondas and im the first to have them on a teg so really that was what i was going after most when buying them. I had rpf1's and didnt get too much money for them so i had no choice for the fitment i desired, or get some real wheels in a lame 16x7 +35 spec that i was not thrilled for. These are by no means rota/xxr status and i feel most agree. they are what i consider mid level wheels replica or not.

i mean cars no a days are getting features with damn widened steelies. if they can get all these features then why would it be so hard for the wheels i got. its almost a double standard to me. also because the bigger the wheel size for rota the better offset and specs you get. you know like every subaru has damn rotas but still get features. see where im going with it... im just showing another look on the situation. not saying they shouldnt get noticed and i should. cause thats not what im even here for. just to build a car i think looks good to me.

[northmiler89]

That's what I was wondering too. Maybe certain manufacturers have changed suppliers for OEM wheels, because I reckon that was probably BBS' most lucrative segment.

I would highly look here ^ for the real problem behind the demise of BBS

it is people like these guys that fucking kill me- as the ever popular saying goes- fake splits can fuck off- if you cant spend the money to get the real product then dont buy it at all- all it does is hurt the market for the real wheels, hurt your car when your rota splits in 5 pieces, and most of all looses any kind of respect for your car whatsoever

you could have the nastiest, lowest, fastest car around but if you have fake or knock off wheels- all credibility went down the fucking toilet

I would rather own stock wheels or steelies then ever be dumb enough to put fakes on my car-

still baffles me to think that people who actually think fake wheels are a good idea actually come on Stanceworks

/end rant

fwd... not ment to be offensive, i just curse a lot, its late and im just trying to get my point across/devils advocate

I HAVE bought brand new "real" wheels before... worst $3800 ever spent.. They do the same thing as the "fake" ones... BBS wheels break too.. There are just as many pics around of bent and trashed BBS. Everyone sees pics of a broken rota here or there... yea because they are driven on constantly. Daily driven all year around, the works... They often see a lot more harsh conditions than the $4000 real wheels you "rock." And even the guys who really "use" their BBS motorsports wheels on the track and shit... well tracks are about the most well groomed roads around, no shit they dont hit a pot hole at laguna seca and break..

You go take your $1000 per wheel BBS and go hit a BIG FUCKING POT HOLE. Then take a $250 per wheel ROTA and hit the same hole. If there is a noticable difference, then I am convinced... But never once have I seen someone say "oh shit I broke the rota that was on my drivers front on a pot hole, but I hit the same bump with the BBS I had on my back wheel and it was perfect"

BBS can suck my balls and so can the guys who run "REAL" wheels. It isnt our fault they dont invest well and dont offer products that main stream consumers can put to use... We dont care how good of wheels you make, if your ass is out of business. Lets see BBS make some decent affordable wheels to compete with ROTA and I will start buying them constantly, but I DRIVE MY CAR..... A LOT and over everything in every condition all year around... I can either buy crazy expensive polished BBS that will get oxidized and beat to hell, because i dont have the time to properly care for them, or I can get some Rotas used for like $500, trash them, refinish them and then sell them off for $200 months later and get another set.

It makes no sense for me to buy real wheels... Now tell me why it makes sense for you to actually buy wheels that expensive, besides custom sizing and offsets.

Cliff notes..

I hit a big hole and crack a rota...cost me $250 tops... I can keep 2 spare rotas around the house in case for $500. I hit the same hole with my BBS and maybe crack it, but definitely at least bend it.. Im looking at $200 to repair it with a week or 2 downtime or $1k to replace it if the hit is THAT bad.

Plus, find me a company that makes me "REAL" VMR V710s.... I wouldnt trade the wheels that are on my car for anything else. I really like them. Granted, there is no "real" version of them.. but VMR is a "fake" wheel company.

[Ollie]

15s are an no go on my teg, ill never rock 15's again as they are too small for that platform. its just a known fact for acura/honda owners. I already payed all my money for the wheels. to spend another 600 for lips, and then have to pay to get them taken apart/ re assembled is just not practical. Im a college kid. i dont need to be wasting my time and money with one set of wheels like that. yea they would have been "baller" but not for the price and having a size i dont even want in the first place...

No doubt. I was thinking tegs were pretty similar fitment wise compared to EGs where I love 15s and 16s. I know phaze 2 runs 15s on the eg and 16s on the teg. Those 15x9.5s are what came to mind. So sick but 16s are deff the way to go for the integra. But anyway, reps are bad

[J.Wolfe]

15s are an no go on my teg, ill never rock 15's again as they are too small for that platform. its just a known fact for acura/honda owners. I already payed all my money for the wheels. to spend another 600 for lips, and then have to pay to get them taken apart/ re assembled is just not practical. Im a college kid. i dont need to be wasting my time and money with one set of wheels like that. yea they would have been "baller" but not for the price and having a size i dont even want in the first place...

[Ollie]

i had a set of bbs rs's a little while back. always wanted a set as they are the top notch wheel. got ahold of some and they were 15x6.5 completely redone to brand new. now with this said i was SO happy I got them as they looked sick...... i sold them away in a month. the sizing stock is nothing special and to get a "dope" set you have to pay over a grand for the wheels, then another 600 for some lips, and then another 3-400 on ok tires. they are not worth it in the end to throw all that money to one set, when quite frankly im a wheel whore. wheels alone makes a whole new car and its the easiest change to be made

Dude, should've swapped fat lips on those 15x6.5 RS's to make em 15x9.5s or wider. Your car would be ridiculous and as nice as it is now, the replica wheels are holdin' you back. Just something to think about.

That's what I was wondering too. Maybe certain manufacturers have changed suppliers for OEM wheels, because I reckon that was probably BBS' most lucrative segment.

Seriously. Plus who even buys BBS wheels new, ever?

[J.Wolfe]

Anyone else see the self contradiction?

Anyway, in for future entertainment.

no contradiction...?

they were the wheels i wanted, but did not have the fitment and specs i would have ideally liked... so i got rid of them. doesnt kill the fact they were wheels i wanted. i just realized that even though i possessed them i still had not possessed the look without dishing even more money...

skibum291 why in the world did you quote me and say its people like these guys? did you even read what i said AT ALL? i didnt buy fake wheels. i bought real rs's from a third party seller that bought them, refinished them, and sold them...

I buy used because buying brand new bbs's online is just stupid when there are the same thing local to me for much cheaper and refinished to as brand new as before. Whats the difference? they were bought at one point in time from BBS or on a car that was bought so the debt was payed for... your logic i dont comprehend as how buying used is somehow damaging to a company... the name is still getting repped by the owner either way. sorry but who honestly buys new wheels now a days unless they are dead rich. NO ONE

[Stike]

That's what I was wondering too. Maybe certain manufacturers have changed suppliers for OEM wheels, because I reckon that was probably BBS' most lucrative segment.

me thoughts as well.

That's what I was wondering too. Maybe certain manufacturers have changed suppliers for OEM wheels, because I reckon that was probably BBS' most lucrative segment.

[Stike]

does bbs still make factory wheels for any companies?

[Skibum291]

problem is boss, those of us who on occasion buy reps either a. cant afford the real thing in the first place b. change our minds so often it will cost us 832u949823421$$$ c. change cars often, setups, the works...

I dont buy $3-5k sets of wheels because i dont usually keep my cars very long and have to deal with the hassle of trying to sell a set of wheels the cost of a lot of cheap cars.

Also, if you blame guys who buy reps, I blame guys who buy used wheels. If you dont buy them new from the manufacture then you arent aiding to their R&D. If they want to make $ bring the RS's back and allow custom everything for them like CCW so we dont all have to scavenge for 10-15yr old wheels.

This is no ones fault but their own. I know of very few guys on this board that have bought brand new BBS. Fuck, off the top of my head i cant think of anyone i know that has bought new BBS. Lots of used ones and lots of new rotas, VMRs, TR motorsports, etc.. I know a few guys who bought new works but thats about it

i had a set of bbs rs's a little while back. always wanted a set as they are the top notch wheel. got ahold of some and they were 15x6.5 completely redone to brand new. now with this said i was SO happy I got them as they looked sick...... i sold them away in a month. the sizing stock is nothing special and to get a "dope" set you have to pay over a grand for the wheels, then another 600 for some lips, and then another 3-400 on ok tires. they are not worth it in the end to throw all that money to one set, when quite frankly im a wheel whore. wheels alone makes a whole new car and its the easiest change to be made

it is people like these guys that fucking kill me- as the ever popular saying goes- fake splits can fuck off- if you cant spend the money to get the real product then dont buy it at all- all it does is hurt the market for the real wheels, hurt your car when your rota splits in 5 pieces, and most of all looses any kind of respect for your car whatsoever

you could have the nastiest, lowest, fastest car around but if you have fake or knock off wheels- all credibility went down the fucking toilet

I would rather own stock wheels or steelies then ever be dumb enough to put fakes on my car-

still baffles me to think that people who actually think fake wheels are a good idea actually come on Stanceworks

/end rant