1972 Tvr Vixen (LS6 Pro-Touring Build)

[BadassVixen]

Awesome build! I wish i could steal a bunch of money from people and build a bad ass car like this, but I can't cause I'm honest, and I don't like ripping people off.

It is a Awesome Customer build and not my car at all, and if you were honest you already knew that as it has been in discussion with your participation elsewhere, along with what was discussed just a bit ago in this very thread..

[thebornotaku]

It is a Awesome Customer build and not my car at all, and if you were honest you already knew that as it has been in discussion with your participation elsewhere, along with what was discussed just a bit ago in this very thread..

It's neat how you seem to have the time and money to be able to afford to build such a car, even if your customer is going to re-imburse you, when you still can't make good on the people whom you've fleeced for thousands of dollars in the Volvo community.

Hope those charges stick. Then maybe you can explain to the DA why you can't come up with the $30,000 in fines.

[BadassVixen]

It's neat how you seem to have the time and money to be able to afford to build such a car, even if your customer is going to re-imburse you, when you still can't make good on the people whom you've fleeced for thousands of dollars in the Volvo community.

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Wow.. That is a pretty idiotic statement... Reimburse me for the build of the car? I am out nothing to build this car because it isn't my car, and my time and money has nothing to do with affording to build such a car? 2nd People have been made good and that news should be popping up all over soon, and others are being taken care of also now that we have the safety issues and company take over done with, so please keep an eye out and you will start to see what is actually going on, instead of what you hope or assume is going on..

[thebornotaku]

Wow.. That is a pretty idiotic statement... Reimburse me for the build of the car? I am out nothing to build this car because it isn't my car, and my time and money has nothing to do with affording to build such a car? 2nd People have been made good and that news will be popping up all over soon, and others are being taken care of also now that we have the safety issues and company take over done with, so please keep an eye out and you will start to see what is actually going on, instead of what you hope or assume is going on..

Somebody still has to pay for materials, time, overhead...

I'm sure the customer didn't front you the money. At least not if they're smart. But then again, here we are.

No comment about the embezzlement charges, odd.

You've made a lot of people very angry and very eager for you to fail. That's not really a good position to be in.

[BadassVixen]

Somebody still has to pay for materials, time, overhead...

I'm sure the customer didn't front you the money. At least not if they're smart. But then again, here we are. You assume what ever you want there

No comment about the embezzlement charges, odd.

Nothing to comment there, because that is being dealt with and not as clear as you or others might like to claim, but I guess you have first hand knowledge and know all the details on both sides?.

You've made a lot of people very angry and very eager for you to fail. That's not really a good position to be in.

I have not made a lot of people angry, a lot of people say that they are angry that have no involvement like yourself. We have no dealings, and just like another discussion on another site, out of I believe over 800 post, the actual participation rate of anyone involved was .006 something percent with two people actually involved making like 5 post, while like people like you run off on tangents like "The product never existed" and then "No one has the product, and you need to send build links to customers" (Customer chimed in, and as ignored) "You will never get a company to do what you are saying, and you are full of shit" Oh wait, that has happened also. I even posted where people got their product, refunds, and progress of the new.

[MikeJr.]

Diarrhea of lies

[Volvoholic]

"I have not made a lot of people angry, a lot of people say that they are angry that have no involvement like yourself..."

Several members from the "other" site recommended to the affected members to file jointly against you. You do have a $H!+-ton of people ANGRY AT YOU, and I'll agree that not all of them are victims. Given the "financial/economic climate", many simply didn't have the means to legally take you to task themselves. These people work hard so that they can enjoy their hobby of working on their cars.

Not many get to enjoy throwing their car on a track to experience the racing spirit. You're a dream-killer. Other people's money funded your track-time with that 122 and P1800 and they got stroked in return.

You're in it deep son. Go ahead, keep spending someone else's money. If you end up in Club-Fed, you'll have to save your pennies for the purchase of toiletries at the canteen.
18 USC 1343 and who knows what else...God help you if you conspired with others. Post plea-deal...maybe 36-60 months in the can + 3 years supervised release with a Fed anklet as a ball-and-chain + restitution? Actually restitution is something that should have happened already. Federal liquidation of your assets to compensate victims is more likely.

You can continue to minimize this and work that "keyboard-Heisman" routine all you want. You're done and you know it.

[BadassVixen]

Several members from the "other" site recommended to the affected members to file jointly against you. You do have a !+-ton of people ANGRY AT YOU, and I'll agree that not all of them are victims.

You can continue to minimize this and work that "keyboard-Heisman" routine all you want. You're done and you know it.

Again.. You are not involved in anything, and as I said just a post or two up, just wait and see just how much you do not know.. I have avoided nothing and I got banned from the noted discussion when I started posting correspondence the mods didn't like, but there was only about 5 post out of 800 post involving two people who are being taken care of.

You can go on and on, but we have no dealings or involvement with one another, and everything I said there is happening as I said it would no matter your efforts to stop it, so I have become quite the "Keyboard Heisman" dealing with people like you who actually don't know a thing about anything, and how could you when you and I have never had any dealings?. If you have an actual and real personal claim that I don't know about, then please message me the details and it will be addressed also.

Lastly, and should really go a long way to show the disrespect you have for other peoples discussion groups, is you have 2 post on this forum only here only to interrupt this customers build thread that nothing is being promoted, no products discussed, no mention of other line of products, while spewing stuff that you don't first hand know or have anything to do with, so I hope the moderators clean this up and keep this about a cool customer build. Thanks But I do thank you for your comment about the No Doubt about the Mad Skills earlier, and I am sure this customer would rather not have guys like you interrupting his record, but at least you have a compliment.. LOL

[thebornotaku]

You can make people angry without directly affecting them.

I'm angry that you came in showing your impressive fab work and ended up draining thousands from members of a community that I hold in high regard as a whole.

I'm angry that there has been sufficient discussion for me to believe that you have done it to others outside of my community as well.

I'm angry that the only people who seem to have gotten through to you from our community are the people who literally showed up at your doorstep.

I'm angry that there are people who are in various places all over the world whom you have still either apparently delivered product or refunds to. People who have been waiting YEARS and who have had to apparently chase you all over the internet to various forums and social media with their stories just to get your attention.

I'm angry that you seem to be so goddamn proud of your Amazon and have no issue posting pictures and videos of it all over the internet while getting a distinct feeling that it was funded by people who trusted you.

It seems to me like your only interest isn't making everybody whole, it's doing damage control so you can continue to spend other peoples' hard earned money when they can't afford to chase you down with a lawyer and get what is rightfully theirs.

Even if, let's say, you aren't actually malicious. A few people have said they've met you and attested to you not seeming like a bad person. Okay, fine. Maybe this was an honest mistake. Maybe you got in over your head. Apparently people have, at some point, talked to your neighbors who could actually attest to there being inventory in your shop. Inventory which, by the lowest number I can find, still took you over a year to get shipped out after receiving payment. And yet, despite it being pretty clear that you seem unable to run an actual business in any sort of timely manner (or for some, still, at all), you apparently continue to try and offer goods up for sale.

Oh, and you spoke of a few people apparently being made whole and their voices being ignored. How about the people who you outright ignored? How about the people who you fleeced and they didn't speak up?

And you know what? I don't need to know all the facts and both sides of the story when it comes to the embezzlement charges. You know what those say to me? They're six big, glaring red flags. It's far too coincidental that the man who seemed to have all of these fraudulent dealings in various automotive communities is also suspect of fraudulent dealings in other aspects of his life as well. So I don't need to know the entire story (nor do I want your classic run-around explanations) in order for me to wish that those charges stick.

I may not know your side of the story. But with the overwhelming amount I've heard from the other side, both in direct testimonials from members and the alleged charges you're facing, I would be hard pressed to see this in any other light.

[BadassVixen]

I honestly do appreciate your detailed explanation, and I do get it and was in the conversation until I got banned for calling people out. For instance, I had a gentleman that was extorting me for 10k over his 2600 dollar refund, or he and his friends were going to make my internet life hell. Once he dropped that, he received his refund and still went out there claiming he wasn't taken care of, and I supplied those details and email correspondence to the moderators, but they left it standing.. Is that ok? He still sends me emails laughing at what he had done, but once I started sharing those details to defend myself after a long time of keep my mouth shut and taking my lumps for this mishap, I was banned when I posted details of it and another that the mod's were full aware of and supporting.

I appreciate also that you are well versed enough to know that people have chimed in and said they visited and saw what was going on and it didn't seem out of place, and that they felt it was legit. But if you are well versed in the discussion also, you should also know that people participating in the discussion said there was never any product and denied that anyone had it? Demanding that I supply links to their online builds so that they can see, but what you may not realize is that these same people knew those builds were there and commented on those very threads? It was a game for most of them, and in this game of speculation, outlandish claims, and damn right lies, and they had all the discussion other than the people involved discussion rate of .006 percent?

I have not had anything on the market in some time, so I am not sure why you think that I am pandering parts on this thread? I didn't even mention the fact I had any products or this build was producing future products (Which it isn't). This build thread is honestly for the customers build record and has nothing really to do with my promotions of anything, so that is where I think it is disrespectful to the guy that his happy with his build, and I am sorry if that offends your sensibilities, but please tell me where in this build thread I have promoted anything related?

Just understand that everything is being addressed as I said it would, and their are satisfied customers building cars now with product, and MVP has even sold additional developed product to back order customers you are discussing, so just sit back and see how it all turns out. As I have said I appreciate that you are informed on the discussion on hand, I would also appreciate if you also noted the ratio of involved and not involved in that discussion, along with all the run away speculation that comes from too many people talking with no facts or details due to never having any dealings with me..

[2GRX7]

Wow! This is a mess! It's a shame it's come to this! SO, has he been convicted? If not, innocent until proven guilty?If guilty, remove him from the website? Wouldn't that be the right course of action?

I've seen what's been posted, and yes, it looks bad, BUT aren't we as Americans still allowed due process?

I've got no skin in this game but there are CLEARLY ALOT OF PISSED OFF PEOPLE on here, so what do you want him to do? Stop posting?

I agree, if he's proven to have done what has been claimed, he needs to be BANNED! Doesn't matter how incredible his work is. But that's up to the courts-not a court of opinion.

For my own selfish reasons (this build is awesome and a learning tools for others!), I hope this guy's got a GOOD reason for why things have gotten so bad and he sorts this mess out and if not-wrong is wrong and i'll move on. Peace!

[BadassVixen]

Wow! This is a mess! It's a shame it's come to this! SO, has he been convicted? If not, innocent until proven guilty?If guilty, remove him from the website? Wouldn't that be the right course of action?

I've seen what's been posted, and yes, it looks bad, BUT aren't we as Americans still allowed due process?

I've got no skin in this game but there are CLEARLY ALOT OF PISSED OFF PEOPLE on here, so what do you want him to do? Stop posting?

I agree, if he's proven to have done what has been claimed, he needs to be BANNED! Doesn't matter how incredible his work is. But that's up to the courts-not a court of opinion.

For my own selfish reasons (this build is awesome and a learning tools for others!), I hope this guy's got a GOOD reason for why things have gotten so bad and he sorts this mess out and if not-wrong is wrong and i'll move on. Peace!

Thank you, and that has been my only want with all of this, and this thread has been only about the build itself with no mention of any product or products, because it is really only being done for the owner of this car and for whoever is interested in the build itself..

[Volvoholic]

Wow! This is a mess! It's a shame it's come to this! SO, has he been convicted? If not, innocent until proven guilty?If guilty, remove him from the website? Wouldn't that be the right course of action?

I've seen what's been posted, and yes, it looks bad, BUT aren't we as Americans still allowed due process?

I've got no skin in this game but there are CLEARLY ALOT OF PISSED OFF PEOPLE on here, so what do you want him to do? Stop posting?

I agree, if he's proven to have done what has been claimed, he needs to be BANNED! Doesn't matter how incredible his work is. But that's up to the courts-not a court of opinion.

For my own selfish reasons (this build is awesome and a learning tools for others!), I hope this guy's got a GOOD reason for why things have gotten so bad and he sorts this mess out and if not-wrong is wrong and i'll move on. Peace!

GEEZ...enough weeping...someone on here has already posted the links to what is going on...he rolled through another car site like a wrecking ball...please go and read them...

people are simply exercising their FREEDOM to post what has been going on with HIS business...he's clearing doing the same thing online and running more smokescreen scams to garner more CASH from unsuspecting people...it's a "paper" crime that typically prosecutor's ignore until the $$ mark is high enough...

initially, it appeared the AUSA's office wasn't interested in prosecuting him for a "few" victims, as it wasn't in the GOV's fiduciary interest to do so...it takes a boot in their ass to get them moving anyway...it costs the GOV money to hold him accountable and he knows it...he's gambling and hoping they're not interested in the long run...people have a right to post here or anywhere else in order to derail his scams...

[2GRX7]

Volvoholic- I have read some of it and YES, it's you're right to excercise your freedom to speak on this, ABSOLUTELY! My point is, what are you asking for from him-from US-right now?

And this isn't to demean what you're doing It's just that it's reminding me of Occupy Wall Street where there's a lot of protests and no demands.

Do you want the mods to close this? Do you want the rest of us to protest? Possibly you want us to be aware of current events regarding him and that's it.

If someone does wrong and it's against my ideologies, i'll cut him off in a second-Jay Leno's dead to me after what he did to Conan :-(, and he has awesome cars, but he admitted to scuppering things!

Look, I'm definitely not taking his side, it's just that most are here to learn, appreciate what others have done and to get some inspiration for their own projects-not read about yet another person allegedly ripping people off!

I'll say again, you post his conviction up here and I'm at his front door with you!

Maybe it's best for BadAssVixen to get his sh!t in order, FAST, and get his own blogspot or sumthin cause this is poison!

[BadassVixen]

I have contacted the mods about the posting and asked them to either make this about the build or pull the build thread off the site.. I know it isn't up to the moderators to get in the middle or to clean this up, and up until now it has been about the build and build alone, so I asked them to make the choice to either remove the post not about the technical side of the build or delete the whole thing if they wish to.. This build thread was really to keep the customer updated and also show what it took to build the car so that people can go back and look once the television and magazine coverage is out.

But on a side note, there has been no court, plea, or conviction, and we are still in preliminary conference instead of court to get this mess sorted out, and I have been cooperating with everything every step of the way because I don't have anything to hide.. I have shared basically every detail I could in the other discussion noted, and I did not leave that discussion until I was banned for posting details that I was being called out on for not posting.. LOL

Here is the Amazon Build thread in question...

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37653