Project Rat Royce - '34 Rolls Royce

[Shogunate]

How bout the 12.9 l motor from a Peterbilt 389 or is that still too big. Paccar Mx-13

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

lets not go too overboard again with 20L truck motors though.

Now now, the one I recommended is only 11.7L.

I like the 606 a lot, but it's probably a little small for that engine bay. They can make huge power for reasonable costs, but whether it'll adequately fill out that engine bay is what would worry me.

I'm a huge fan of the 6BT, and they're certainly easy to find and easy to modify. '94-'97 are your ideal years, which gets you the 12-valve version with the p-pump. Earlier engines have Bosch VEs which are limited to the 300-400 HP range, though they can be swapped out easily enough. The two key downsides to this engine are weight (1000+ lbs with accessories) and height.

Obviously a Detroit would be very entertaining in this, and they sound like they're going a million miles an hour standing still.


Other options to consider if you're interested in something more exotic:

Deutz has long made a line of superb air-cooled diesels that are very unusual-looking. The most common you'll probably find is the F4L913, which is a N/A 4.0L 4-banger with 200 lb-ft of torque at 1450 RPM. The one you'll want is the turbocharged 6.0L inline-6 BF6L913C, which throws 500 lb-ft at 1600 RPM. If you need bigger yet, they have offered a huge line since about the 1860s. You might also look at the 413 series, which is V-configuration. The F6L413FW is a 9.5L engine that puts out 370 lb-ft of torque at 1500, and that's naturally-aspirated. They appear to hold boost well, as Deutz offers a turbocharged version of the 12-cylinder model, which has the exact same compression ratio.

I might also look at GAZ engines. The GAZ-66 was made for about two billion years, and the 66-40 made from '95-'99 had an air-cooled turbodiesel of around 4L. The power output wasn't huge (123 HP, unknown torque), but it's Russian, which makes it awesome.

If you want something considerably larger and Russian, the YaMZ-238M2 is 10L with 470 lb-ft of torque at only 1500 RPM.

Just throwing out some thoughts here. It might be helpful to have some ideas on displacement and configuration that you're looking for.

EDIT: One last one: Deutz BF6M-1013FC. 7.1L inline-6, 35" tall to the bottom of the oil pan (just dry sump it and cut 10" off that), 800 lb-ft of torque at 1400 RPM. It's liquid-cooled, so it's maybe a touch less weird and cool than other Deutz options, but that torque number is insane.

[dineno]

Now now, the one I recommended is only 11.7L.

I like the 606 a lot, but it's probably a little small for that engine bay. They can make huge power for reasonable costs, but whether it'll adequately fill out that engine bay is what would worry me.

Obviously I'm a huge fan of the 6BT, and they're certainly easy to find and easy to modify. '94-'97 are your ideal years, which gets you the 12-valve version with the p-pump. Earlier engines have Bosch VEs which are limited to the 300-400 HP range, though they can be swapped out easily enough. The two key downsides to this engine are weight (1000+ lbs with accessories) and height.

Obviously a Detroit would be very entertaining in this, and they sound like they're going a million miles an hour standing still.


Other options to consider if you're interested in something more exotic:

Deutz has long made a line of superb air-cooled diesels that are very unusual-looking. The most common you'll probably find is the F4L913, which is a N/A 4.0L 4-banger with 200 lb-ft of torque at 1450 RPM. The one you'll want is the turbocharged 6.0L inline-6 BF6L913C, which throws 500 lb-ft at 1600 RPM. If you need bigger yet, they have offered a huge line since about the 1860s. You might also look at the 413 series, which is V-configuration. The F6L413FW is a 9.5L engine that puts out 370 lb-ft of torque at 1500, and that's naturally-aspirated. They appear to hold boost well, as Deutz offers a turbocharged version of the 12-cylinder model, which has the exact same compression ratio.

I might also look at GAZ engines. The GAZ-66 was made for about two billion years, and the 66-40 made from '95-'99 had an air-cooled turbodiesel of around 4L. The power output wasn't huge (123 HP, unknown torque), but it's Russian, which makes it awesome.

If you want something considerably larger and Russian, the YaMZ-238M2 is 10L with 470 lb-ft of torque at only 1500 RPM.

Just throwing out some thoughts here. It might be helpful to have some ideas on displacement and configuration that you're looking for.

EDIT: One last one: Deutz BF6M-1013FC. 7.1L inline-6, 35" tall to the bottom of the oil pan (just dry sump it and cut 10" off that), 800 lb-ft of torque at 1400 RPM. It's liquid-cooled, so it's maybe a touch less weird and cool than other Deutz options, but that torque number is insane.

I like this list of suggestions a lot. I'm leaning towards a Detroit on the larger engine side of things. If I can't find a newer/V configuration mercedes diesel then I might just go this route. Those russian motors look wild too!

[TeckniX]

The one you'll want is the turbocharged 6.0L inline-6 BF6L913C, which throws 500 lb-ft at 1600 RPM.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCDRIMqtNKI"]Deutz BF6L913C start at WIBAKO - YouTube[/ame]


That thing sounds so good - What do they put those in?

ps: just get this http://www.ebay.com/itm/351299151966

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

I like this list of suggestions a lot. I'm leaning towards a Detroit on the larger engine side of things. If I can't find a newer/V configuration mercedes diesel then I might just go this route. Those russian motors look wild too!

MB passenger car diesels don't get much beyond 3.0L. There is a 3.5L version of the OM603, but you don't want it. After the 606 they switched to common-rail injection and lots of computer controls, so I don't know whether you want to fuss with all of that.

Were I looking at MB engines for this project, I'd think about early versions (pre-2007, and even earlier if possible) of the MBE 900. They're assembled by Detroit for the US market, and the version you'd want is the OM926, which is a 6-cylinder 7.2L turbodiesel. 280 HP, 800 lb-ft of torque at 1200. That said, these engines have some amount of computer controls and they're relatively unknown engines, even in the MDT crowd. All that said, the only reason I'd pick an MBE 900 over a 6BT or a C-series Cummins is if European manufacture is a requirement. Otherwise, a Cummins is a simpler, more tried-and-true engine.

If you're looking at Detroits, I would have a close look at the 6L-71, also known as the 6N-71. It's the same thing as a regular 6-71 (I-6, 7.0L, 238 HP), but it's kicked over at a 90º angle for underfloor mounting in coaches. As a result, they're not very tall at all, but extremely wide, and they look absolutely crazy:

That thing sounds so good - What do they put those in?

The 913 is commonly used in agricultural machinery. And you're right, Deutz engines sound amazing, especially when they get hot and that big turbine starts spinning trying to keep everything cool with fresh air. Absolute cacophony.

[FRSBrndn]

I'm speechless, damn this is good.

[P78]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ0u9iRTWyI

i'll leave this here for fun and giggles

[evilstar]

What about an older Maserati engine? I only thought of this because my uncle is selling an 80's Quattroporte and we both agreed the best part of that car was the engine. everything else is meh.

to give you an idea it looks something like this.


Since my uncles is in cali id doubt you would want to transport it cross country but maybe you could find one close to you for a good deal. not sure that engine puts out the torque you want but it was just a tought. if not maybe for the penny.

[TeckniX]

Hmm Maserati.. Looks like the F136 can be had for $5k

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191152981692

[Zman86]

Project Rat Royce - '34 Rolls Royce

This popped up on kijiji for sale recently, I know it's probably nowhere near you, but it's the first time I've ever seen one offered for sale...

http://m.kijiji.ca/classic-cars/thunder-bay/1943-rolls-royce-meteor-engine/v?adId=1061885787

[DER E30]

This popped up on kijiji for sale recently, I know it's probably nowhere near you, but it's the first time I've ever seen one offered for sale...

http://m.kijiji.ca/classic-cars/thunder-bay/1943-rolls-royce-meteor-engine/v?adId=1061885787

That would be crazy

[dineno]

That would be crazy

I did want a Merlin actually then I saw it had been done a few times in rolls Royce cars already and after seeing how undeliverable they were I decided to try finding a better power to weight ratio. I did decide on a motor though guys, it's in line with my original idea (which I don't think I shared) which is completely different than the whole diesel route. I'll share soon enough

[loekaaz]

So loyal to this thread, and still you give us a teaser. That's unfair man....

[dineno]

So loyal to this thread, and still you give us a teaser. That's unfair man....

Very good point.

What has 6 liters of displacement, 12 cylinders and over 600 ponies of naturally aspirated eargasm goodness?

[SnazzyQ]

Very good point.

What has 6 liters of displacement, 12 cylinders and over 600 ponies of naturally aspirated eargasm goodness?

Aston Martin v12?