Would like some advice

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

You can get a power kit from Bag Riders or you can just get a generic amp wiring kit from wherever. The Bag Riders kits come with really nice wire, though, so I think they're worth it. You'll need the wiring sized appropriate to the compressor or compressors you buy.

Here's my thoughts on a water trap: Water trap or not, you still need a tank drain. If you install a manual drain like the Schrader valve that comes with the Bag Riders kits or a screw valve, a water trap per compressor is nice in our climate. The other option is to use an electric drain, in which case I don't think water traps are necessary, since it's so easy to purge the water from the tank.

The only thing you should need to add to the bag kit and manual management system is a safety valve set at whatever the lowest pressure rating item on the high pressure side of your system is rated at. So, if you run a Viair 444c and a tank rated to 200 psi, get a 200 psi safety valve. If you run a 150 psi compressor and/or a 150 psi tank, get a 150 psi safety valve.

Beyond that, you should think of how you want to lay out your system. What Bag Riders provides in their kit will allow only for a very basic installation. If you want hard lines or any kind of slick installation, you'll need to figure out what additional fittings you need to make that happen.

[wobleyjojo]

You can get a power kit from Bag Riders or you can just get a generic amp wiring kit from wherever. The Bag Riders kits come with really nice wire, though, so I think they're worth it. You'll need the wiring sized appropriate to the compressor or compressors you buy.

Here's my thoughts on a water trap: Water trap or not, you still need a tank drain. If you install a manual drain like the Schrader valve that comes with the Bag Riders kits or a screw valve, a water trap per compressor is nice in our climate. The other option is to use an electric drain, in which case I don't think water traps are necessary, since it's so easy to purge the water from the tank.

The only thing you should need to add to the bag kit and manual management system is a safety valve set at whatever the lowest pressure rating item on the high pressure side of your system is rated at. So, if you run a Viair 444c and a tank rated to 200 psi, get a 200 psi safety valve. If you run a 150 psi compressor and/or a 150 psi tank, get a 150 psi safety valve.

Beyond that, you should think of how you want to lay out your system. What Bag Riders provides in their kit will allow only for a very basic installation. If you want hard lines or any kind of slick installation, you'll need to figure out what additional fittings you need to make that happen.

right now im looking for dirt cheap basics. thanks for all of the info. i hope to see you around!

[dc4dave]

cheapest? coils. you could do an air setup with the funds you said you had to work with. really depends the route you wanna go with the car. and if you care about practicality/ comfort.

[dc4dave]

DIRT CHEAP? coils man, coils. and you can get just as low as people on air with coils if modifed correctly. fuck comfort xD HEHE @bornsteezy

[wobleyjojo]

DIRT CHEAP? coils man, coils. and you can get just as low as people on air with coils if modifed correctly. fuck comfort xD HEHE @bornsteezy

i know i can get that low on coilovers but i cant adjust to go over speed bumps.

[loekaaz]

Check this guy's thread:

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47147

Fun starts at page 3 though
He got his set from a Polish company. And seems to be quite good.

Site:

http://www.airride-system.pl/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=w201

[dc4dave]

but if you know how to drive a slammed vehicle speed bumps are not an issue

[wobleyjojo]

but if you know how to drive a slammed vehicle speed bumps are not an issue

yeah... i dont.

[wobleyjojo]

Check this guy's thread:

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47147

Fun starts at page 3 though
He got his set from a Polish company. And seems to be quite good.

Site:

http://www.airride-system.pl/advance...&keywords=w201

thanks, one of the kits there has everything but the power supply, and its like $1,200

[wobleyjojo]

but if you know how to drive a slammed vehicle speed bumps are not an issue

imma follow you on insta

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

thanks, one of the kits there has everything but the power supply, and its like $1,200

There are a couple of things to be cautious about with those kits. First, that style of air bag is very popular in Europe, but I've never seen them for sale here in the States. Were you to rip or abrade a bag to the point that it would need to be replaced, it might be difficult getting spare parts. Second, it looks like a lot of the parts on those systems are metric, which isn't surprising given where they're coming from, but metric pneumatic parts are considerably more difficult to get your hands on in the US should you need to add to the system or replace anything. Third, a lot of the systems on that page are two-way systems, meaning that the left and right bags are tee'd off of a single feed line. This allows cross-flow during cornering, which can cause unpredictable changes in handling. The kits that they offer that have "VIP" in the name are four-way kits, which is what you're after.

[wobleyjojo]

There are a couple of things to be cautious about with those kits. First, that style of air bag is very popular in Europe, but I've never seen them for sale here in the States. Were you to rip or abrade a bag to the point that it would need to be replaced, it might be difficult getting spare parts. Second, it looks like a lot of the parts on those systems are metric, which isn't surprising given where they're coming from, but metric pneumatic parts are considerably more difficult to get your hands on in the US should you need to add to the system or replace anything. Third, a lot of the systems on that page are two-way systems, meaning that the left and right bags are tee'd off of a single feed line. This allows cross-flow during cornering, which can cause unpredictable changes in handling. The kits that they offer that have "VIP" in the name are four-way kits, which is what you're after.

do i need anything more than this?

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

Some thoughts:

• If you're getting a manual paddle valve kit, it will come with 1/4" line. You'll need 1/4" fittings for your bags, which should be an option you can select.
• I don't love the Viair 400c. It's relatively fast, yes, but it only goes to 150 psi and it only has a 33% duty cycle. If you can spare the $29, the 444c is a nice upgrade, which gets you 200 psi and 100% duty cycle, though it's a hair slower than the 400c. The 480c is even better, as it has all the speed of the 400c with the pressure rating and duty cycle of the 444c.
• If you've got a single compressor power supply kit checked in your management pack options, you don't need to get a second one. The same goes for the water trap - you only need one per compressor, unless you're going to do something fancy.
• You're short a safety valve. If you upgrade to a 444c or a 480c, get a 200 psi one. If you stick with the 400c, get a 150 psi one.
• If you do upgrade your compressor, make sure Bag Riders includes a 200 psi pressure switch. If you stick with the 400c, the 150 psi switch they list in the kit is fine.
• Depending on where you choose to mount your safety valve, you'll probaby need a 3/8" MNPT to 1/4" FNPT reducer bushing, since the tank you've selected has both 1/4" and 3/8" ports, and you'll need all of them. Bag Riders sells reducer bushings and they're cheap.

Other than that, that's system should do ya'. It'll be relatively slow to fill with only a single compressor on that tank, but it will work.

EDIT: What I might do at this point, if I were you, is sit down and sketch out how you want your system to look: what plugs into where, and so forth. That'll help tell you whether you need any additional fittings. Since your tank has different-sized ports, you'll want to think about which port you're going to thread your compressor into and which port you're going to run the line to the switches, and where you're going to thread your safety valve and your pressure switch so that you know whether or not you're going to have to adapt from one port size to a different fitting size. It's pretty straight-forward once you start getting it on paper.

[wobleyjojo]

Some thoughts:

• If you're getting a manual paddle valve kit, it will come with 1/4" line. You'll need 1/4" fittings for your bags, which should be an option you can select.
• I don't love the Viair 400c. It's relatively fast, yes, but it only goes to 150 psi and it only has a 33% duty cycle. If you can spare the $29, the 444c is a nice upgrade, which gets you 200 psi and 100% duty cycle, though it's a hair slower than the 400c. The 480c is even better, as it has all the speed of the 400c with the pressure rating and duty cycle of the 444c.
• If you've got a single compressor power supply kit checked in your management pack options, you don't need to get a second one. The same goes for the water trap - you only need one per compressor, unless you're going to do something fancy.
• You're short a safety valve. If you upgrade to a 444c or a 480c, get a 200 psi one. If you stick with the 400c, get a 150 psi one.
• If you do upgrade your compressor, make sure Bag Riders includes a 200 psi pressure switch. If you stick with the 400c, the 150 psi switch they list in the kit is fine.
• Depending on where you choose to mount your safety valve, you'll probaby need a 3/8" MNPT to 1/4" FNPT reducer bushing, since the tank you've selected has both 1/4" and 3/8" ports, and you'll need all of them. Bag Riders sells reducer bushings and they're cheap.

Other than that, that's system should do ya'. It'll be relatively slow to fill with only a single compressor on that tank, but it will work.

EDIT: What I might do at this point, if I were you, is sit down and sketch out how you want your system to look: what plugs into where, and so forth. That'll help tell you whether you need any additional fittings. Since your tank has different-sized ports, you'll want to think about which port you're going to thread your compressor into and which port you're going to run the line to the switches, and where you're going to thread your safety valve and your pressure switch so that you know whether or not you're going to have to adapt from one port size to a different fitting size. It's pretty straight-forward once you start getting it on paper.

thanks, i cant seem to find a safety valve

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

Fittings > Other Fittings > Safety Valve