The small minds of r3v

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http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=298360

[Jlyons617]

IDK, a lot of what they said was valid.

[andybob]

lol.

That thread is a fricken shitshow.

Do whatever it is you want, as long as you're aware and ready to face the consequences (good and bad depending on the situation). That goes for every aspect of your life. I find so many people care about fucking small insignificant things in life, it's really quite comical. Be your own identity, find what 'style' fits you, and just fucking live life for Christs sakes.

I don't know if what I said makes any sense with the context of this thread. Do whatever kind of car shit you want, just don't be upset if other people don't like it I guess is what I am trying to say.

[Rally]

IDK, a lot of what they said was valid.

I'd be interested in hearing which parts you agree with.

I wrote the article and it seems that many of them missed the point that I was conveying.

The article was not written to say that everyone should like 'stance' or that I'm concerned in any way that someone may not like the way I (we) build cars. Anyone who feels that way should take a moment to re-read it.

[Jlyons617]

lol.

That thread is a fricken shitshow.

Do whatever it is you want, as long as you're aware and ready to face the consequences (good and bad depending on the situation). That goes for every aspect of your life. I find so many people care about fucking small insignificant things in life, it's really quite comical. Be your own identity, find what 'style' fits you, and just fucking live life for Christs sakes.

I don't know if what I said makes any sense with the context of this thread. Do whatever kind of car shit you want, just don't be upset if other people don't like it I guess is what I am trying to say.

I think you're right, but I do have to say I do like that those guys take a hard line on doing it right the first time. There are defiinately too many rigs on shitty Rota's/XXR's and Racelands that expect mad internet points.

Interesting question that was brought up that i've wondered for a while. How much work does Mike really put into his cars? Don't know him so I don't know.

[Rally]

I think you're right, but I do have to say I do like that those guys take a hard line on doing it right the first time. There are defiinately too many rigs on shitty Rota's/XXR's and Racelands that expect mad internet points.

Craftsmanship is an entirely different manner. Craftsmanship is the act of doing something "right" (properly). Whether it be bodywork, or suspension tuning, there is a proper way to achieve quality results.

Craftsmanship is entirely independent of style or purpose.

I fully agree that craftsmanship is important and is a factor that can be judged on a scale of Right/Wrong

Interesting question that was brought up that i've wondered for a while. How much work does Mike really put into his cars? Don't know him so I don't know.

As someone who sat beside Mike as he built the hot rod, I feel like my insight is valid enough to answer this question. Mike does about 99% of all the work involved in fabricating an entire hot rod truck from a pile of parts.

-He had help from his friends (Byron, Cody, Geoff, Nic, myself, etc all offered help when he needed an extra hand for certain steps).

-The wheels were re-finished by Rotiform, but assembled by us.

-He had the driveshaft custom made by a drive shaft company

-He had a hole tig welded on the radiator by the guy down the street because we don't have a tig welder in the shop, yet.

Other than that, he did all of the work himself in the StanceWorks warehouse here in SoCal. He welded the frame up, designed and assembled the suspension setup, altered the body work, installed the engine, did the wiring, etc.

[Jlyons617]

As someone who sat beside Mike as he built the hot rod, I feel like my insight is valid enough to answer this question. Mike does about 99% of all the work involved in fabricating an entire hot rod truck from a pile of parts.

-He had help from his friends (Byron, Cody, Geoff, Nick, myself, etc all offered help when he needed an extra hand for certain steps).

-The wheels were re-finished by Rotiform, but assembled by us.

-He had the driveshaft custom made by a drive shaft company

-He had a hole tig welded on the radiator by the guy down the street because we don't have a tig welder in the shop, yet.

Other than that, he did all of the work himself in the StanceWorks warehouse here in SoCal. He welded the frame up, designed and assembled the suspension setup, altered the body work, installed the engine, did the wiring, etc.

I always wanted to know. While I absloutely **** the hot rod truck and rat rods, I can respect that he made it himself and learn from it.

[Rally]

I always wanted to know. While I absloutely **** the hot rod truck and rat rods, I can respect that he made it himself and learn from it.

And see THAT is the point that I was trying to make in the article. While you don't particularly like the hot rod truck, you are able to look past that bit and respect the learning experience and the enthusiasm that went into his build. That's a great attitude in my opinion and that's the precise perspective that I was suggesting in the article.

I don't think you have to like everyone else's cars, but I do think that we should all consider what goes into the builds and show respect for the underlying passion that we all have for automobiles (no matter how we choose to express it).

[Jlyons617]

And see THAT is the point that I was trying to make in the article. While you don't particularly like the hot rod truck, you are able to look past that bit and respect the learning experience and the enthusiasm that went into his build. That's a great attitude in my opinion and that's the precise perspective that I was suggesting in the article.

I don't think you have to like everyone else's cars, but I do think that we should all consider what goes into the builds and show respect for the underlying passion that we all have for automobiles (no matter how we choose to express it).

True, I respect that he made it a solid project, not the half-done poorly built crap that has flooded the hot rod scene under the guise of rat rods. It's abundant in my area.

[Rally]

True, I respect that he made it a solid project, not the half-done poorly built crap that has flooded the hot rod scene under the guise of rat rods. It's abundant in my area.

And that's an example of the craftsmanship that I mentioned above. Whether you like fast cars, low cars, lifted trucks, rat rods, or donks....craftsmanship still plays a large part in the quality of the build results.

[andybob]

Craftsmanship is an entirely different manner. Craftsmanship is the act of doing something "right" (properly). Whether it be bodywork, or suspension tuning, there is a proper way to achieve quality results.

Craftsmanship is entirely independent of style or purpose.

I fully agree that craftsmanship is important and is a factor that can be judged on a scale of Right/Wrong

On a totally unrelated note, I think the quality of Chraftsmanship is something you learn and obtain from growing up and learning from your peers. Whether its your parents, people you work with, or simply just the people you surround yourself with.

I've grown up with parents who I'd say are borderline OCD with everything they do. Whether it is the minute details in life, they always did it right the first time and tried to pass along that workmanship to us kids.

It's taken some time for me to realize this, and I'll admit I do regret some points in my life I have 'half assed,' but I have to admit, I did learn from it. Hell, there are quite a few little things I can think of off the top of my head I'd like to change on my car because I don't truly like how I did them.

I don't know what I'm trying to say right now, but I guess I just find the majority of people in the car world don't have this passion and workmanship to do everything to the best of their ability. Does it take more time? Yes. Does it cost more? It can depending on the context.

I will say this though, I do find a lot of the builds on this site do tend to have a better level of craftsmanship and that's what makes them fun to read and follow.

I know this doesn't have anything to do with this topic, I just thought I would point it out.

[Rally]

I know this doesn't have anything to do with this topic, I just thought I would point it out.

Hey, that was why I wrote the article to begin with....to open up discussion because it's fun It's a different topic, but still one worth talking about.

I think we all mature and grow with time and begin to learn the value of craftsmanship. I can certainly look back at some of the things that I did to my car at 16 on a highschool budget and giggle to myself. I imagine that when I'm 60 and I look back at what I'm doing now I'll have the same feeling. That's part of life. You learn new techniques, you gain experience, and you collect more skill sets. For me, that's one of my favorite things about this whole thing....the learning.

[andybob]

Hey, that was why I wrote the article to begin with....to open up discussion because it's fun It's a different topic, but still one worth talking about.

I think we all mature and grow with time and begin to learn the value of craftsmanship. I can certainly look back at some of the things that I did to my car at 16 on a highschool budget and giggle to myself. I imagine that when I'm 60 and I look back at what I'm doing now I'll have the same feeling. That's part of life. You learn new techniques, you gain experience, and you collect more skill sets. For me, that's one of my favorite things about this whole thing....the learning.

[parttimeprojectionist]

if you look at the last few posts on that thread, its kinda illustrates the point, they dont know the difference between a "stance" car( i know i know self flagulating now!) and oni camber, they dont know that it is an entirely different thing, im sorry but you cant discuss cars with people like that, their minds are closed. this site, while it has its forum members who can be fairly harsh and dickish critics, for the most part is the most openminded forum ive come across. i think they are forgetting that every scene has its degenerate cars, jap has ricers, american has donks, euro has uhhh, you know im not sure what youd call em but basically theyre the same stances or not, shitty parts and poor quality all around. so that arguement doesnt hold shit. there is even a form of purist stance i think going on here sometimes. it just blows my mind that people do not see how this was the next logical step. i have no idea whats next but for now im lovin this shit

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