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    What's your opinion?

    Originally posted by Ashley Halsey (SMH) - May 24, 2012 - 9:20AM
    Car generation dying out
    Youth more than interested in terabytes than cubic inches.
    The 389-cubic-inch overhead-cam V-8 holds a sweet spot in many aging hearts, but their grandchildren are more likely to lust after a 1-terabyte hard drive streaming video to a high-resolution screen.
    ‘‘Today, it’s not the most critical thing in the world to have the most exciting car,’’ said Jim Wangers, 85, known as ‘‘the godfather’’ of the Pontiac GTO, which helped define the muscle car era.
    ‘‘In the 1960s it was absolutely mandatory that you had a swinging set of wheels. Now, personal mobility has been replaced by personal mobility on the Web.’’
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    America’s fabled love affair with the car hasn’t ended, but like many a romance that gets off to a smoking-hot start, it has evolved over the years into more placid coexistence rooted more in need than pleasure.
    There are a multitude of reasons: The roads don’t seem so free or open as they were when the affair blossomed after World War II. Congestion and the pillory at the gas pump have reined in some of the wanderlust.
    Hot cars once were a teenage status symbol, but now four wheels matter most as a way to the shops.
    And the meeting place of social cyberspace means there’s a lot less need to go anywhere to commune with friends.
    People younger than 30 are showing increasing disdain for owning combustion-engine power. Saddled with university debt and concerned about the environment, fewer are bothering to get driver’s licences, more are moving to transit-friendly cities and new apps are expanding the arsenal of alternatives to owning a car.
    ‘‘My parents were both born in the 1950s, and one of the things we’d do is just pile into the car and go driving around with no particular destination,’’ said Aaron DeNu, 33, who grew up in suburban Cincinnati but now lives in Washington, DC, and chooses not to own a car.
    ‘‘I think the car is less tied to your identity than it was in the 50s.’’
    NASCAR has discovered that younger people aren’t being lured by the roar of high-performance engines. To expand a rapidly greying fan base it has urged popular drivers to take to Facebook and Twitter. Now Jeff Gordon tweets regularly to more than 200,000 followers and has more than 458,000 Facebook fans.
    But younger people seem more interested in fiddling on the Internet than under the hood, and they’re finding it provides more ways to get around than ever before.
    Online services that provide short-hop rental vehicles for trips to the grocery store or mall are facing competition from new apps that let car owners rent their private vehicles to strangers through online connections.
    And now there is an app that allows drivers to post their coming and goings to fill empty seats with passengers.
    ‘‘Right now we’re on all the mobile platforms,’’ said Jason Conley of Avego, a global company that provides real-time ridesharing information for commuters.
    ‘‘Smartphone penetration just hit 50 per cent this past Christmas, so more and more people have a small computer in their pocket and can avail themselves of lots of transportation options.”
    ‘‘It’s not advantageous to have a car, and sometimes it’s disadvantageous,’’ says Kate George, 30, who does most of her travel around Washington on her bike or by subway.
    ‘‘It’s a lifestyle you get used to, and you see your friends without cars and you realise you don’t necessarily need one.’’
    Nationally, the number of kilometres driven by people younger than 35 dropped by 23 per cent between 2001 and 2009, according to research by the think tank Frontier Group.
    More than a quarter of those in that age group don’t own a driver’s licence.
    The study that Frontier Group released in April attributed the shift away from driving to several things, including a doubling of petrol prices since 2001 and the ability of people on buses and subways to stay plugged into their social network without feeling guilty about distracted driving.
    The lack of desire to drive has been influenced, in part, by economics.
    One in five people aged 25 to 34 lives with parents or grandparents. In the past decade the percentage of people younger than 35 without a driver’s licence has risen to 26 per cent.
    In rural America, a licence and a car may remain a necessity for young people. But so does fuel economy, so the car of choice may be a four-cylinder rather than the muscle car of yore.
    Now, 75 per cent of the people who buy the iconic Chevrolet Corvette are older than 45.
    ‘‘If you look at Main Street America on weekends, they’re still driving up and down Main Street,’’ said Michael T. Marsden, a professor of American studies at St. Norbert College who has researched the subject.
    ‘‘Has some of the excitement shifted to other media? Of course it has, but that has been replaced to some extent by the older generation that now purchases the muscle cars and actually does the cruising on weekends.’’
    In bigger cities, however, congestion has stifled the sense of freedom drivers once found behind the wheel, says Timothy K. Gilbert, who chairs the automotive marketing department at Northwood University in Florida.
    ‘‘When you begin to look at the vehicle as more utilitarian you begin to look at alternatives, because it’s only a method of transportation,’’ he says.
    ‘‘The way people look at the automobile reflects maybe not uncertainty as much as ambivalence.’’
    Is ambivalence the death of romance?
    ‘‘Are we really ever going to get over the love affair? I doubt it,’’ Marsden says. ‘‘Automotive culture, that love affair is a deep one. And we may have to compromise, we may have to shift, we may have to redefine it, but it’s a pull.
    ‘‘It’s a deep, deep pull.’’
    The Washington Post

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    My opinion is that the 85y/o who has an opinion obviously doesnt get out of the house much.


    The car scene is just as big, if not bigger then that of the 60's, only there are more assholes with opinions, who can freely express them from the saftey of their own home.


    If "Hot cars once were a teenage status symbol, but now four wheels matter most as a way to the shops." then why do my wheels cost more then the fucking car? Why am I spending an ass load of money to make it run an 11 second quarter mile? to get to and from the shops quicker? I think not!


    Fuck the haterz
    Originally posted by anth
    Lucky they didn't come into your house and disrespect your whole family.

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    • #3
      Motherfucking Oxer is on point.
      I dislike Byron.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Oxer View Post
        My opinion is that the 85y/o who has an opinion obviously doesnt get out of the house much.


        The car scene is just as big, if not bigger then that of the 60's, only there are more assholes with opinions, who can freely express them from the saftey of their own home.


        If "Hot cars once were a teenage status symbol, but now four wheels matter most as a way to the shops." then why do my wheels cost more then the fucking car? Why am I spending an ass load of money to make it run an 11 second quarter mile? to get to and from the shops quicker? I think not!


        Fuck the haterz
        He doesn't sound like he is ******, just that more people are viewing cars as appliances than before which I do believe.

        Many of my friends do not understand why I am so into cars, many of them like cars but drive around in stock civics and camrys. My one friend even said that even if he could buy a Ferrari he wouldn't because it would hurt the environment, I laughed and called him a pussy and have done the same thing to him many times.

        I am glad I have found more car friends as of late that actually understand the obsession because it was annoying dealing with my friends that viewed them as appliances only not as something more.

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        • #5
          I still can't comprehend people who believe in cars as appliances. I'm always thing "What do normal people think when they see my car" and then I remember 95% just stick it in drive and go, and pay no attention to the cars around them.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Nicolaus Pro View Post
            I still can't comprehend people who believe in cars as appliances. I'm always thing "What do normal people think when they see my car" and then I remember 95% just stick it in drive and go, and pay no attention to the cars around them.
            Sad but true... I always wonder what people think when they see my car. I assume most do not even notice.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Nicolaus Pro View Post
              I still can't comprehend people who believe in cars as appliances. I'm always thing "What do normal people think when they see my car" and then I remember 95% just stick it in drive and go, and pay no attention to the cars around them.
              Originally posted by Slow_Ballin' View Post
              Sad but true... I always wonder what people think when they see my car. I assume most do not even notice.
              You guys are on point. I've been driving around my town the past few days with a "LOL KIA" europlate in my front window and people are probably like WTF?

              Like everyone said, I think a lot of people now just see cars as a means to get somewhere, not a hobby. I think a lot of this has to do with the fact cars are more difficult to work on now. Between wiring nightmares and the fact everything is getting compacted to make vehicles smaller does make it tough to work on them. I'm assuming this because I'm a mechanic and it can be pretty tough to do simple things. Changing light bulbs for instance can mean dropping a bumper in some cases. Seriously, they can be a pain in the ass.




              The Kia has been parted.

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                2 pic minimum .... . :
                Last edited by indy510; 06-15-2012, 11:02 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by got splits? View Post
                    Motherfucking Oxer is on point.
                    Fuckin' Oxer.....always on point
                    Originally posted by Kielan
                    VW kids go to Hondas, Honda kids go to BMW, BMW kids stick with BMW because they are the best.

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                    • #11
                      Showroom?
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                      2000 BMW 323iT
                      1998 Toyota Tacoma
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                      • #12
                        It has taken the majority of my friends to understand my love for cars. They used to josh at me for it, but hey they can go waste money on weed and worthless shit. Ill modify my car. After riding in it most have began to like it and they have even asked me what do I think of a certain car. But its not th 60s nor 70s anymore where the car was simple. I think the dawn of electronics in cars caused some of the scene to disappear its not someone with a mustang and pipes anymore. Its someone with their laptop out tuning type of scenarios now.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by e39hamann View Post
                          I am glad I have found more car friends as of late that actually understand the obsession because it was annoying dealing with my friends that viewed them as appliances only not as something more.
                          I cannot agree with you more on this! All my friends at uni ask why I throw money at my cars and take the piss.

                          I always argue that my car gives me a thrill, and they don't have anything to give them a thrill from time to time. I would rather throw money at something I can see, that booze!

                          Originally posted by mrg7243 View Post
                          I think the dawn of electronics in cars caused some of the scene to disappear its not someone with a mustang and pipes anymore. Its someone with their laptop out tuning type of scenarios now.
                          I think this is a big part. It was my dad and granddad that got me into motors & fettling. There were cars, bikes & pushbikes being fiddled with & fixed and I loved it. It was much more simple, I'm always worried now that if I do something the electrics will shit themselves and car is done.

                          I feel sorry for the next generation, there will only be a few kids that get the joy of cars passed down from their parents

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                          • #14
                            Old man Jelly he doesn't have a 1-terabyte hard drive streaming video to a high-resolution screen

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                            • #15
                              I can sort of see what he's talking about, but it's not nearly what he makes it out to be.

                              I'm a pure bred car enthusiast. I live with them. I rent a house to nothing but car guys, on purpose. My entire family will always have a passion for anything automotive. My grandmother just had the nitrous taken off of her 55 Bel Air because she wants to go higher compression and more aggressive on the cam. It's just who we are.

                              Working with John Lee, he's taught me indirectly that his type is dying out. There will always be a surplus of part swapping, forum researching for problems, "certified mechanics". But, what's truly dying, is the art of fabrication. The true awe of watching John come up with a means to fix a problem is something I would never get tired of. He didn't look up an issue. He didn't consult the manual. He looked at the problem, and within 5 minutes and a chewed up cigarette later, he had fixed it.

                              He's taught me that I shouldn't be scared of new cars. I've literally ripped into new cars without rhyme or reason, and the greatest part is, they go right back together. John Lee didn't know how to tune when he opened up his LS shop, but he had a couple buddies with Corvettes, and he started out tuning and reading. 3 years later, he's regarded as one of the best in GA.

                              Just go into things with the mindset that you know what you're doing, and it'll happen. Car guys just have become lazy, in search of the easy answer, and part swapping until they achieve what they want. No one seems to be interested in creating, except some people in this forum, and that's why I post here.
                              03' Lightning w/ Bolt-Ons | KLR 650 | Duece.


                              Originally posted by willis
                              This is Stanceworks, champ. Get with it.

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