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    ok so im new here, and im not running in a vw, beemer, cedes, or anything japanese or foreign for that matter. i drive a 98 dakota r/t( a sport truck if you will). I've always had a passion for the lines of the truck, and loved it over any other truck of its generation, and being from a dodge family it was only fitting. i have lots of plans for the truck and have just recently discovered the craze that is "stanced" i don't want to copy the look or steal it, or sell my truck for something more stance able. i don't know that i will ever slam the shit out of my truck, but i already had plans for a really low stance. the truck is a work in progress, as is anything custom. the truck had the usual fender rust, and i coned the used car salesman to throw in two new fenders, the rear bumper was mashed and mangled so i replaced it with a roll pan. i then tackled the performance/maintenance/mechanical aspects. the truck burned oil like it was water in the sahara, i did my reading and discovered a bad intake belly pan to be suspect. being as i cant pass up a good deal when it comes to overall savings, i snagged up a performance intake with hopes it would not only improve my performance but also eliminate the oil burn. i scooped the intake up and found a bigger throttle body and an air cleaner set up. also ordered billet fuel rails waiting to be installed. she is now even more thirsty for gas but i didn't buy a v8 to save on fuel. i also came across a set of headers i really wanted, knowing that the trucks had clearance issues with headers and the upper control arms, i set in motion the appropriate/prioritized steps to achieve everything at once.

    i ordered a full kit through a company called airbagit.com in arizona, i ordered a 4 inch drop set of hangers for the rear, one of their c-notches, and a set up upper tubular control arms(to eliminate weight and clearance issues) next a set of their tubular 3 inch drop lower arms. the quality is on the parts is next to none, so glad i stuck with this company over another...regardless, the truck already has a 2 inch block in the rear,

    i plan to cut the rear blocks to one inch, coupled with the 4 inch rear drop, and the 3 inch drop arms with cut springs to give me an overall drop of about 4(4.5)/5

    my question is, how can i achieve a moderate/appropriate amount of poke/stretch for the truck. the truck will have a small amount of wheel well gap as am building this truck with a better stance and performance drop parts and performance sways for a truck that handles like a go kart.

    here is a picture of the truck, don't minds the plethora of body panel colours, and the odd ugly parts, the truck is in more of a suspension/performance mind set, paint can wait.










    i also have a set of fogs, side skirts(mouldings that just hide the pinch welds) and the rims will be painted( a nice set of rims or 3 pcs would be sick but i dare anyone to find a deecent priced rim that fits my lug pattern) 6x4.5 so untill then when the suspension is done the rims will be painted... they are 17x9 as is.



    the truck will be 3 inches lower in the rear, and roughly 2.5 more in the front.

    here is my drop kit






    so is there a equation to the madness? i have enough trouble figuring out normal tire fitment let alone this new stuff... i don't want it to look like its riding on bands, i will have a bit of wheel gap to tend with, but i would love to incorporate some stance into the mix... would love to hear from all you guys..was also considering some wheel spacers to bring them out a tad, all comments welcome, if anyone is bored and quick with the photochop id love to see some ideas...anyways glad i joined, learning a lot from all you guys. there aren't alot of enthusiasts out my way...

    and sorry for the large pics... that being said, i feel like once she drops and settles, with a good tire choice, new rim paint colour(was thinking a bronze/copper/or gold metalic) or even something bright and vibrant,...with a bit of wheel spacing i really feel i could have a sick stanced looking little street terror... thoughts..

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    i can see that this might not be as interesting as most builds, so ill ask just this, for allllll of you guys running stretched tires... how do you go about choosing your tires? cause stretching them alters the overall height of them, so the conventional tire number ratios are out the window, i more or less want to achieve stretch without buying random tires and trial and error, im sure im going to be bombarded with "its trial and error" but i now some of you guys know exactly what your doing and what im asking... thanks again!

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    • #3
      tyrestretch.com

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      • #4
        thanks, ill look into that, sick idea for people just like me haha, still want to make sure i get the exact tire, im afraid of running rubber bands or too low a profile. but thats a good start point

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        • #5
          good

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          • #6
            Yeah, just play around on tyre stretch. Some tire brands stretch more than others. Falken 512's stretch like they're a size smaller than you ordered, and toyo's stretch very nicely. It'll all in the brand of the tyre.
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            • #7
              Stretching the tires has nothing to do with the overall height. That height stays the same no matter what width wheel they are mounted on.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Byron View Post
                Stretching the tires has nothing to do with the overall height. That height stays the same no matter what width wheel they are mounted on.
                not doubting you just asking but how would taking a tire and stretching it width wise not affect the overal height? from what i know the tires work this way, width, height ratio, and inside diameter, if the tire is five inches of side wall and its meant for a 8 inch wheel and you stretch it over a 10 inch rim the side wall that would normaly be verticle, is now stretched sideways.... thus making it shorter and fatter..... correct me if im wrong....

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dubstance98r/t View Post
                  not doubting you just asking but how would taking a tire and stretching it width wise not affect the overal height? from what i know the tires work this way, width, height ratio, and inside diameter, if the tire is five inches of side wall and its meant for a 8 inch wheel and you stretch it over a 10 inch rim the side wall that would normaly be verticle, is now stretched sideways.... thus making it shorter and fatter..... correct me if im wrong....
                  No. Just think about it, no matter how wide it goes it can't shrink down. It's always gonna have that sidewall that keep it the same size.
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                  • #10
                    i dont know if im missing something or if everyone else is, probably me,... but if you take a 4x 4 box and smash it down from the top... it will now be possible 6x2.....so from where it "beads" to the top surface that is no longer flat, but infact concave... it will be shorter.... how does it not change the height of the tire? all those "specific" values that make up a tire ratio are set in place for a spcific rim size... if you stretch the tire... the ratios and values WILL change....am i crazy? stretching a tire is stretching the beads out horizontaly to be from say 8 inches, to 10 inches...you are not stretching the tire or rubber compound...the verticle side wall becomes more diagonal and concave then verticle... thus the height will be shorter then it would on an 8 inch rim....

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                    • #11
                      A tire has a certain diameter. No matter what u do to your sidewall, that diameter can't change.
                      Think about it. There's an amount of rubber needed for that diameter, strechting the sidewall, doesn't change that. It just changes the side wall.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Byron View Post
                        Stretching the tires has nothing to do with the overall height. That height stays the same no matter what width wheel they are mounted on.
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                        • #13
                          The inner bands keep the overall height the same.

                          I understand what you're saying, but that's not how it works. You're picturing the sidewall of a tire to be perfectly straight, when in fact it's curved.



                          All the "stretching" does is straighten out that curve. And see how the rubber comes to a point inside of the metal band on the bead seat? That folds over, allowing the tire to maintain the flat contact area on the wheel, even when the tire sidewall is at a different angle than what it is designed for.

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                          • #14
                            Well you probably need consider the tire size you plan on running and plan a set of wheels around it. I personally see some CCW classics 20x12 all around with a carefully selected offsets and 275's all around. Should have have a good mean look to it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Axxe View Post
                              Well you probably need consider the tire size you plan on running and plan a set of wheels around it. I personally see some CCW classics 20x12 all around with a carefully selected offsets and 275's all around. Should have have a good mean look to it.
                              Biggest size classics one can get is 18x16.


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