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    Good news, everyone! The Explorer’s response and reaction to boost has exceeded our expectations…by quite a large margin.

    As everybody left for SEMA, the Explorer was fully assembled and ready to begin life doing dyno runs and adjusting the tune for both daily drivability and all-out ballsiness. While showing you a bunch of pictures of us doing algebra and filling in tables would be exciting for the DIY ECU enthusiast (and not much of anybody else), we figured we would forego those shots. Once we had the tune written enough to where dyno runs were possible, we strapped it to the dyno and slowly began running it, building in revs a little more with each subsequent run. And that’s when the Explorer exceeded our expectations by the aforementioned large margin.

    The twin VNT turbos were clearly excited to be attached to the Explorer’s Modular V8, as they decided to build more boost than Honda builds cars. The Explorer needs to boost to no more than 8-10psi for our desired safe levels of power, but instead, the snails were building 12-13 psi at approximately 3500 RPM (and climbing!!). One may see where an issue might lie. The response was absolutely nuts on this car, and boost would come on so rapidly that it seemed physically impossible to compensate for that large of a fuel swing so early in the table. Or was it?!

    After a good amount of sitting and theorycrafting, the solution needed to be threefold attack on the problem. The first two steps (which aren’t covered by pictures in today’s blog) were a water-methanol injection system and a fuel pump booster. The third and final step was an alteration to the turbo system itself. In order to keep boost under control, we would need the help of some Tial external wastegates. Two of these guys, to be exact:




    Obviously, one cannot just rest the wastegates inside the engine bay and call it a day. Given the fact that we managed to occupy almost every inch of available space when building the TT kit, we had to make sure fitment was precise, so nothing would interfere with anything else. We found a perfect spot on the downpipes, so we set about fabricating some new flanges from scratch, as well as creating the piping to connect the wastegates to the rest of the system. We had to remove a small bit of the Swain Tech coating from the pipes in order to get it to weld correctly, but the small amount of missing coating shouldn’t affect the overall heat retention properties of the system very much, if at all.





    With the new water-meth, boost-a-pump and wastegates securely in place…




    …It’s right back to work on the dyno, tweaking the tune bit by bit until we reach our desired outcome. Obviously the boost-building issues provided for a small setback, but as with any other vehicle modification that’s one-of-a-kind, issues may crop up from time to time. All we can say is that Scott and his wife have been nice enough to allow us to give in to our strict tenets of perfectionism, as we want nothing but success and reliability to come from this build. So we definitely owe them one big thank you, as well as everybody else in the automotive world that’s shown a great deal of interest in a build of this kind. Everybody’s eyes are on us, so the pressure’s definitely on. Videos will come soon, we promise!


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    Originally posted by Oxer
    I'm pretty sure I will molest any exhaust systems you leave lying around

  • #2
    I was not expecting this.

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    • #3
      I happen to prefer algebra to wastegates, and am genuinely offended that you didn't provide photos of algebra.



      NOT.

      This thing is looking good! Any ideas on numbers?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by B Rod View Post
        I was not expecting this.
        Hooray! Surprises for everybody!

        Originally posted by StatusRacing View Post
        I happen to prefer algebra to wastegates, and am genuinely offended that you didn't provide photos of algebra.



        NOT.

        This thing is looking good! Any ideas on numbers?
        I'll mail you ALL my algebra photos. Hope your inbox is set to accept 7500 photos in RAW format.

        Numbers are still early at this point, but our goal with the boost levels we decided upon is just shy of 400 awhp.

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        Originally posted by Oxer
        I'm pretty sure I will molest any exhaust systems you leave lying around

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        • #5
          Pretty awesome.

          I love the quality of work you guys produce and your Blogger puts together a pleasant read as well

          All A's from me.

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          • #6
            Expect a call from me tomorrow Andrew. Going to take advantage of my free oil change and transmission flush before winter. Might also have you guys tune my car while your at it.

            Love the work on the Exploder btw.

            Edit: Actually I might see if I can trade my trans flush for a coolant flush or something. We'll see
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Haole View Post
              Expect a call from me tomorrow Andrew. Going to take advantage of my free oil change and transmission flush before winter. Might also have you guys tune my car while your at it.

              Love the work on the Exploder btw.

              Edit: Actually I might see if I can trade my trans flush for a coolant flush or something. We'll see
              Expect a call from me today. I'm going to use Haoles free oil change and flush
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              • #8
                Originally posted by SeanDub View Post
                Pretty awesome.

                I love the quality of work you guys produce and your Blogger puts together a pleasant read as well

                All A's from me.
                Thanks buddy

                Originally posted by Haole View Post
                Expect a call from me tomorrow Andrew. Going to take advantage of my free oil change and transmission flush before winter. Might also have you guys tune my car while your at it.

                Love the work on the Exploder btw.

                Edit: Actually I might see if I can trade my trans flush for a coolant flush or something. We'll see
                Thanks man! Just give the office a call and Marilynn should be able to help ya out. I'm not sure if we have the tuning software for Evo's...I'd have to check, but I believe it's doubtful.

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                Originally posted by Oxer
                I'm pretty sure I will molest any exhaust systems you leave lying around

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                • #9
                  It's hard no to make way more than 400WHP with a twin turbo mod, AWD or not; they make insane power with boost. That is why I figured the owners had chosen this platform. I'm very, very excited to hear this thing.

                  Some inspiration in case the owners ever decide they want a high boost setting.

                  [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kfgF6RJiIE&feature=fvwrel"]Twin Turbo Cobra - YouTube[/ame]
                  Last edited by cobrawannabe; 11-10-2011, 08:46 AM.


                  If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.

                  Your blast pipes look stupid.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FluidMotorUnion View Post
                    I'll mail you ALL my algebra photos. Hope your inbox is set to accept 7500 photos in RAW format.

                    Numbers are still early at this point, but our goal with the boost levels we decided upon is just shy of 400 awhp.

                    Having that many photos of yourself (or anyone) doing math is kinda creepy

                    Based on your description of the response and your power goals, this sounds like it'd be a great DD. 10 psi by 3500RPM should be nice for maneuvering around old people and student drivers!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by StatusRacing View Post
                      Having that many photos of yourself (or anyone) doing math is kinda creepy

                      Based on your description of the response and your power goals, this sounds like it'd be a great DD. 10 psi by 3500RPM should be nice for maneuvering around old people and student drivers!
                      I did math in HS and college. I've since given that up, because I find writing infinitely more enjoyable. OJ does all the algebra at Fluid (as he is the best person here for writing maps from scratch). I'm really glad I don't have to.

                      10psi at 3500 RPM would mean a blown motor by 5000. The composite intake can only handle mid-teens of boost, and the internals are about there, too.

                      But if we built out the bottom end and the intake manifold, we could probably get rid of the wastegates and go full-bore at 2bar and watch Gallardos disappear in the rear windshield.

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                      Originally posted by Oxer
                      I'm pretty sure I will molest any exhaust systems you leave lying around

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