E36 guys... help?

[Dudermagee]

lol, this thread just keeps getting more and more fucking retarded

[Average_Jerk]

No what's killing the scene is idiot kids thinking that shitty quality parts are comparable to the real deal. It's the same story with suspension, wheels, aero kits, you name it.

Says the guy with THAT spoiler and skirts that are more common on 106's..

Nah dude i see where you're coming from, and yeah at the end of the day everyone would love the good stuff. I just think it should be generally accepted and respected that everyone gets low their own way. Slamming a car REALLY low on pro quality coils is like building a race engine, and giving it a 3k rev limit...its made for performance but you cant use it properly. So why wouldnt i save my cash and break out the grinder?

Il tell you another thing, just because a parts expensive, does not ensure quality. A (well respected) engineering company i used to work for would buy lots of their castings, service parts etc from companies in india/china etc, and sell them on at massive profit, as they had the benefit of their quality name and reputation. To think a part is of high quality on the basis of price shows a basic ignorance as to the manufacturing processes and origins of the part itself. I can guarantee you that molds used to make "high quality" parts on your car, have been used to create parts for companies of the same standing as Rokkor.

molds =/= suspension engineering

[Ollie]

No what's killing the scene is idiot kids thinking that shitty quality parts are comparable to the real deal. It's the same story with suspension, wheels, aero kits, you name it.

Says the guy with THAT spoiler and skirts that are more common on 106's..

Wait wait wait


Please elaborate. Wtf are you talking about my spoiler and skirts for? My oem sideskirts are shitty quality because everyone reps them and puts them on shitty cars? Not even gonna get into my spoiler but I am curious to hear your response

[SeanDub]

These fucks aren't even worth arguing with.

[Jesus Christ]

No what's killing the scene is idiot kids thinking that shitty quality parts are comparable to the real deal. It's the same story with suspension, wheels, aero kits, you name it.

Says the guy with THAT spoiler and skirts that are more common on 106's..

Nah dude i see where you're coming from, and yeah at the end of the day everyone would love the good stuff. I just think it should be generally accepted and respected that everyone gets low their own way. Slamming a car REALLY low on pro quality coils is like building a race engine, and giving it a 3k rev limit...its made for performance but you cant use it properly. So why wouldnt i save my cash and break out the grinder?

Il tell you another thing, just because a parts expensive, does not ensure quality. A (well respected) engineering company i used to work for would buy lots of their castings, service parts etc from companies in india/china etc, and sell them on at massive profit, as they had the benefit of their quality name and reputation. To think a part is of high quality on the basis of price shows a basic ignorance as to the manufacturing processes and origins of the part itself. I can guarantee you that molds used to make "high quality" parts on your car, have been used to create parts for companies of the same standing as Rokkor.

Way to have zero idea of WTF you are talking about.

[Rusty34]

No what's killing the scene is idiot kids thinking that shitty quality parts are comparable to the real deal. It's the same story with suspension, wheels, aero kits, you name it.

Says the guy with THAT spoiler and skirts that are more common on 106's..

Nah dude i see where you're coming from, and yeah at the end of the day everyone would love the good stuff. I just think it should be generally accepted and respected that everyone gets low their own way. Slamming a car REALLY low on pro quality coils is like building a race engine, and giving it a 3k rev limit...its made for performance but you cant use it properly. So why wouldnt i save my cash and break out the grinder?

Il tell you another thing, just because a parts expensive, does not ensure quality. A (well respected) engineering company i used to work for would buy lots of their castings, service parts etc from companies in india/china etc, and sell them on at massive profit, as they had the benefit of their quality name and reputation. To think a part is of high quality on the basis of price shows a basic ignorance as to the manufacturing processes and origins of the part itself. I can guarantee you that molds used to make "high quality" parts on your car, have been used to create parts for companies of the same standing as Rokkor.

[Ollie]

My car rides ridiculously well, actually. I'm sorry that you have accepted shitty ride quality as a part of being low.

It's obvious he doesn't have any understanding of suspension. It's funny how people make statements about things they know nothing about.


And OP, Ground Control is the way to go. I have a set that will go stupid low with short 550/700lb springs. They ride super nice.

[Ollie]

I don't care if you rock shitty coilovers but I will laugh when I see you rolling, rubbing, and bouncing all over. That's fine, just don't tell people they ride as good as proper coilovers.


But my opinion is still if you're going to do something, do it right. That's like buying a BMW 8 series and not maintaining it properly because "not everyone can afford it". Than wtf are you doing trying to hang. Buy a cheaper car or don't try if you know you can't afford it.

Do you find the front struts on the ZC coils to be "bouncy," in relation to the bump travel, say going over uneven pavement or roads with small dips? How low are you set on the front?

No.

These coilovers are made to ride low, stiff, and smooth. If they bounced that would defeat the whole purpose of these

Is this not the mentality thats actually "killing" the scene? that only the rich guys are allowed to go low? I think if anything is, its that. If the guy has his car sitting right, whats the big deal on ride quality? You worried bou HIS bum getting sore is it?

No what's killing the scene is idiot kids thinking that shitty quality parts are comparable to the real deal. It's the same story with suspension, wheels, aero kits, you name it.

One of my best friends rolls super fucking hard on stock struts with no name coilover sleeves and eibach springs that I had sitting around. BUT he's not running some knock off china shit and you'll never hear him say anything good about his set up and he is saving for something proper. All good

[SeanDub]

I've driven on very good suspension before. And I'm pretty sure driving that low on ANY setup is "bloody murder".

My car rides ridiculously well, actually. I'm sorry that you have accepted shitty ride quality as a part of being low.

[Rusty34]

And that's the type of mentality that is killing this scene.

Is this not the mentality thats actually "killing" the scene? that only the rich guys are allowed to go low? I think if anything is, its that. If the guy has his car sitting right, whats the big deal on ride quality? You worried bou HIS bum getting sore is it?

[armorrig]

Im 12 and what is this???

On a second thought, I wouldn't trust cheap coilovers on my car with my fenders and expensive lips sitting an inch away. That's why I went with the zc coils.

Do you find the front struts on the ZC coils to be "bouncy," in relation to the bump travel, say going over uneven pavement or roads with small dips? How low are you set on the front?

[thesull]

Running PSS9s ... switching to zc soon... my 2cents

[Jardine]

Kinda sucks that my car has become the basis of this shitty debate. I run Rokkors (for now) because like stated before they are cheap and not everyone has $1800 to throw at coilies straight up. I totally plan to upgrade to BC's when my pay goes up and i can afford to pay the rent on my house and afford to chuck money at the car.
I have absolutely no argument for Rokkors, they are shitty, they ride ok, they perform ok, but at the end of the day theyre rip offs. But for guys like me, they do the job for now, for basic cash.
I dont agree that cheap coils take sales away from guys like AST and BC at all, because, if people wanna buy their stuff, they do, I will be for damn sure. But for the guys that would only ever run Racelands or Rokkors etc, they buy them cos theyre cheap and would probably just cut/heat theyre springs if they werent on the market at all.
Its almost like the whole Rota/XXR argument but for a different aspect of the car. Its never gonna get solved cos kids arent gonna stop buying cheap wheels, just like they arent gunna stop buying cheap coils.

I think the more companies like AST improve their product, by bringing things out like the Zero Clearance, the more they diversify themselves from companies like Rokkor as they are producing a far superior product and people will always buy into that.

This is exactly what I mean. Clearly I'd love to get well-made AST or BC coilovers, but the price is not in my range. If companies like Rokkor weren't arround, and all you could buy was $1000+ coilovers, my car would either be stock height, or on cut springs. Rokkors do the job for now.

Well stated.

i didnt mean to single you out, i like your car but that other dude threw it out as an argument for rokkors that was all wrong...

i gotta give you props for knowing whats up, typical guys on rokkors give a long and drawn out elitism speech and defend those coils like they are motons.

I never said don't buy good coilovers, Rokkors are better. I said for the price, it's a damn good bargain. Like I said, a quarter of the price, and definitely not a quarter of the quality. All I'm saying is for guys like me on a tight budget, Rokkor does the job for a damn low price. It's a pointless arguement anyway. If everyone could afford Zero Clearence, or similar expensive coilovers, we all would; but that's not the case.

[carebearM3]

Im 12 and what is this???

On a second thought, I wouldn't trust cheap coilovers on my car with my fenders and expensive lips sitting an inch away. That's why I went with the zc coils.

[carebearM3]

Im 12 and what is this???

On a second thought, I wouldn't trust cheap coilovers on my car with my fenders and expensive lips sitting an inch away. That's why I went with the zc coils.