Anyone Juiced?

[Jedidiah]

Yup...Hydroholics

What's good Brandon. Good to see you posting up. We need to catch up soon.

I can attest to Brandon's Merc... from experience, I can say it rides incredibly well.

[OCKlasse]

hydroholics did it right? they do some sick work.

Yup...Hydroholics

[OCKlasse]

Hey Mike,

Unfortunately Reno was unable to find a way to make it work with my unconventional design. If I ever change in the future, which I certainly might, I will definitely be giving you a call. Or, as Reno put it, if demand increases for configurations such as mine he will develop the software for it.

[AccuMike]

Hey Brandon, were you guys able to figure out the control side and if it will work properly with the one pump 6 dump setup? Keep me posted man if something changes

The Hydroholics guys are working on setting up systems using the AccuAir e-Level controller! The only leveling system ever used with Hydraulics Stay Tuned!

[benz88]

hydroholics did it right? they do some sick work.

[Will@BagRiders]

sick benz right there

[OCKlasse]

I'm on juice, and I love it! One pump six dump with accumulators. Best riding car you'll ever be in.

[flemcadiddlehopper]

I have been looking into this a bit too. And as you have heard from others that when an air system is set up and engineered right it handles great. The problems that I believe the poor handling comments have come from is when the air is used to it's extremes (much the case of many of the cars on this site) . The air bags change in air pressure relates to a change in spring rate and thus ride height. The problem with that is the spring rate should be balanced to the shock dampening rate. If you had adjustable shocks that adjusted with the air pressure in the bags that would be the best scenario possible.
I have been looking at Hydraulics mounted on coilovers (spring perches). This setup lets you keep your spring rate the same and your shock dampening is ballance to that spring so ride quality does not change with ride height. The only problem would be if you are looking for extreme changes in ride height, such as a Socal Impala bouncing the front end. This setup only allowes a change of 45mm, but that is enough to change ride height without drastically changing steering geometre.
I think this would be a great setup if you wanted to park all tucked, but drive without rub. And price is not that bad because you can add them to your existing coilovers or purchase the whole kit.

http://www.tunerworks.com/products/?fn=detail&id=1007

Gordo.

[benz88]

hydraulics generally cost more. Especially for a better brand. I think im into mine for around $2500. Just for the system. Then factor in $100+ a pop for a group 31 battery(you need these), 2-3 of them minimum.

[j-stance]

There are many "myths" associated with air suspension setups... one of the worst, is that it doesn't handle as well. That is a fallacy, as the system can be designed and properly setup to handle exactly as needed! One of the cool things that we've found with the pro-touring and performance driven markets is that an air system can be dialed in using our e-Level controller by programming the #1 preset with the exact specs needed to rally, track, or race, and then simply use the #2 setting for daily driving

With proper engineering and installation, the spring rates can be controlled and will still offer the desired functionality and adjustability you're after!

ah okay...
is there much of a price difference between hydraulic and air?
i was quoted £1350 for the kit and £750 fitting.

[AccuMike]

There are many "myths" associated with air suspension setups... one of the worst, is that it doesn't handle as well. That is a fallacy, as the system can be designed and properly setup to handle exactly as needed! One of the cool things that we've found with the pro-touring and performance driven markets is that an air system can be dialed in using our e-Level controller by programming the #1 preset with the exact specs needed to rally, track, or race, and then simply use the #2 setting for daily driving

With proper engineering and installation, the spring rates can be controlled and will still offer the desired functionality and adjustability you're after!

[Han]

i ruled out air just from what ive read in general. I have a friend that has bags on a clio, and it bounces whilst going down the motorway. So just from seeing that i cannot really see it being great in the corners. Also, in my mind .. i can see the bag 'tearing' when cornering hard.

Im not looking to do trackdays with the car (but if hydraulics can stand up to it then thats peeeeerfect) BUT i may look into a trip the the nurburg ring in the future, but its not too much of a problem as il just use a different car if it comes to it

Il more than likely go with Rayvern Hydraulics, id like to have a go setting it up myself (which saves me £750) but im not too sure yet..

It was said that 'Handling with our diss setup it will handle like a go kart' ...I would guess that means distribution setup but im not sure?

Bags don't magically tear or pop from hard cornering and driving in general unless if it is being struck with a sharp object or rubbing against something. A specific PSI in the bag equates to a "spring rate" so the bouncing is probably either from a high PSI or a low PSI. I mean, look at the lorries that are around - they use air-ride in one way or another and carrying 20,000lbs of load doesn't "pop" them, either.

I need to find the old school Camaros and Mustang auto-crossing on air-ride videos to post up...

[j-stance]

i ruled out air just from what ive read in general. I have a friend that has bags on a clio, and it bounces whilst going down the motorway. So just from seeing that i cannot really see it being great in the corners. Also, in my mind .. i can see the bag 'tearing' when cornering hard.

Im not looking to do trackdays with the car (but if hydraulics can stand up to it then thats peeeeerfect) BUT i may look into a trip the the nurburg ring in the future, but its not too much of a problem as il just use a different car if it comes to it

Il more than likely go with Rayvern Hydraulics, id like to have a go setting it up myself (which saves me £750) but im not too sure yet..

It was said that 'Handling with our diss setup it will handle like a go kart' ...I would guess that means distribution setup but im not sure?

[Oxer]

Accumulators is what you were looking for there...

Indeed it was... Mind blank. I blame dehydration..

[benz88]

Im on hydraulics. Handling can be great depending on how you set it up. If you use stock coils cut down it should ride really good and handle decent. if you want more cushion add accumulators or shocks. both help alot. If you want more help let me know.

Also told you guys we need a Hydraulic section.