Is it a spacer or adapter?????

[Lux]

Ok Im getting wound up here. I dont know if I have been mislead and am using false terminology or if people just arent on the same page.


Ok, so I want to keep my bolt pattern but get 30mm spacers which would require a spacer with studs that are pressed in.

I call these spacers cause I am not changing the bolt pattern to adapt a new bolt pattern but I see some people referring to them as adapters cause they have studs regardless.


This is causing confusion with orders I am placing now with two different companies.

I told one guy ( sounds cool ) I can source the hardware myself but he still ask about extended lugs which made me think it would be a standard shaped spacer with no pressed studs and only 5 holes. I said I want a set that has 10 holes so I can press my own studs but yet he still makes it sound as if I am going to have to use extended lugs.

He then asked for the lug size I am going to be using so he can drill to that size but I would be using the same as my stock size,..12x1.5mm which I already gave him. Would I not? Do I still need longer studs to be pressed into the spacer to compensate for the thickness of the spacer?


Than I have this site with a system to get the info they need on what you want. It seems they consider spacers with 5 holes and 5 pressed studs of the same bolt pattern to be adapters rather then spacers.

http://www.motorsport-tech.com/
What is what!?

[Average_Jerk]

you just want spacers. H&R makes a set thats big like that and comes with the bolts to hold it to the hub, then you can use your oem wheel bolts to mount the wheel

[Lux]

Yeah but not for my vehicle. I found lots of companies that make good spacers but I need a custom machining cause of my bolt pattern. But it dont stop there, H&R makes spacers for 5x108 but they have huge hub bores and I have a 63.4 bore and a wheel with a 76mm center bore.

BTW, I posted about spacers before and I have used all suggestions given on who to contact and I have yet to hear from Rotiform.

[Average_Jerk]

ah, gotcha. give the guys at rotiform call. they can custom make you a set

[Lux]

Yeah, Im waiting on a e-mail. If I dont hear from 'em soon I'll call on my day off. I dont wanna juggle people around.

[Bimmerteck]

If it requires pressed in stud it is generally considered an adaptor by all the machine shops I've used, where as spacer passes a single longer bolt or stud through it instead of transfering the mounting forces to another stud built into the device.

As for providing your own stud for the spacer, your likely better just letting them handle that, the studs aren't what runs the cost up it's the time spent machining.

He may also be reffering to you needing to install shorter studs in the vehicle's hub b/c if they are taller than 30mm the wheel will not mount due to the factory studs being too tall.

He may also be making sure you don't want to change from 12mm to 14mm lugnuts, I know many people who use different brands of wheels some of which are 14mm lug holes instead of your stock 12mm there by requiring the bump in size on the adaptors.

You need to keep in mind that they are building you a set of one off adaptors they are fully custom and they want to be sure they make what you want/need. Them not assuming things(i.e. "his lug bolts should be the same diameter as stock") is generally a sign of a good shop just be sure you get them on the same page with what you need now, rather than waiting for them to have to guess something you didn't tell them.

Erik

[Lux]

If it requires pressed in stud it is generally considered an adaptor by all the machine shops I've used, where as spacer passes a single longer bolt or stud through it instead of transfering the mounting forces to another stud built into the device.

As for providing your own stud for the spacer, your likely better just letting them handle that, the studs aren't what runs the cost up it's the time spent machining.

He may also be reffering to you needing to install shorter studs in the vehicle's hub b/c if they are taller than 30mm the wheel will not mount due to the factory studs being too tall.

He may also be making sure you don't want to change from 12mm to 14mm lugnuts, I know many people who use different brands of wheels some of which are 14mm lug holes instead of your stock 12mm there by requiring the bump in size on the adaptors.

You need to keep in mind that they are building you a set of one off adaptors they are fully custom and they want to be sure they make what you want/need. Them not assuming things(i.e. "his lug bolts should be the same diameter as stock") is generally a sign of a good shop just be sure you get them on the same page with what you need now, rather than waiting for them to have to guess something you didn't tell them.

Erik

Thanks for clearing the adapter/spacer issue up.

As for the rest, man I understand what you are saying and I am doing what I can to make sure we are on the same page,... trust me. Im more so on the same page as your explanation of this matter.
He also in a respectable way made note to his error thus far.

I questioned pressing studs myself and I was actually told by your guy I can easily do it myself. Then the cost dropped from 160$ shipped ( 20 less than adaptec ) to 110$

Also, it was made clear that everything would be kept to the same specs as they are now as thats what has worked so far. I never knew people would give you shorter lugs to be pressed into the hub. I always just thought most people grind the studs down. He actually asks about extended lugs, not shorter ones. Adding to my confusion.

[Bimmerteck]

From reading through all your posts I think I have designed your adaptor in MS paint. When machining things a picture is truley worth 1000 words.

Anything in Red should be your stock hub specs and can't be changed, teh black is what they shop will machine can can be configured as desired if incorrect.




Hope that helps in your communications with the different companies.
Erik

[Lux]

Very creative,.. lolz!. Thats exactly what I want but I think our confusion starts with the studs.

He asked if I wanted extended studs and that made me think it would be a very basic 5 hole spacer. But I want what I know understand is commonly called an adapter. I questioned if it would be 5 or 10 ( since it dont come with hardware ) and he didnt understand at first what I was saying. I sent images of the two and he seemed to then understand. But then went back to questioning the studs.

He sounds like a good guy and I do hope to work with someone in the same scene as we are more so than a huge company with,....who knows what type of people are working there.

Maybe the adapter spacer confusion I had started the whole misunderstanding and confusion. Who knows.

[Average_Jerk]

^ you should print that img and bring it down you the guy you were talking to. im sure hed understand immediately after seeing that

[Bimmerteck]

Very creative,.. lolz!. Thats exactly what I want but I think our confusion starts with the studs.

He asked if I wanted extended studs and that made me think it would be a very basic 5 hole spacer. But I want what I know understand is commonly called an adapter. I questioned if it would be 5 or 10 ( since it dont come with hardware ) and he didnt understand at first what I was saying. I sent images of the two and he seemed to then understand. But then went back to questioning the studs.

He sounds like a good guy and I do hope to work with someone in the same scene as we are more so than a huge company with,....who knows what type of people are working there.

Maybe the adapter spacer confusion I had started the whole misunderstanding and confusion. Who knows.

Sounds like he's asking about the black stud installed in the spacer in my diagram. the only spec you haven't listed in this thread is what length will those studs be, if your using 12mmx 1.5 x 20mm studs but want only 18mm of exposed thread the machinist can set the stud 2mm deeper into the adaptor hence making fewer threads visible. Many race organizations require several extra threads to be visible through an open ended lug nut to pass tech. On the other hand many wheels (cough RSs) require shorter studs for their center caps to go on.

[Lux]

Well I sent a e-mail and started it all over with the diagram you posted.

Cursed car. It dont stop making things hard! Better pay off in the end.

Any other car I wasnt so limited to my options and usually brought the wheels out by lowering the offset. I just cant do it with this one without some sort of adapter period.

Classy wheels in this BP are limited to begin with and unless the wheel has caps that cover the lugs re-drills are too noisy leaving me to work with what I have or adapting a new bolt pattern, either way needing an adapter!

Its also confusing to adapter/spacer newbs when lesser companies use the terms so loosely.

[Brian@Rotiform]

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[Lux]

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