Best "cheap" tires???

[MikeeM3]

Hi guys,

Im still trying to decide if i buy quality tires or cheap ones for my first stance setup !!

Which of these choices would be the best for overall performance and stretching results?

Nankang NS-2
Nankang NS-20
Achille
Accelera
Triangle
Nexen

Thanks guys

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

I don't mean to be a dick, but I'm just going to say it: there's not one of those in that list I would be dying to put on my car.

Your car has four tiny areas where the tire touches the pavement which together comprise all that makes your car go, turn, and stop. I cannot imagine making rock-bottom price a priority for the single most important piece of your car.

If you have to save money, I've had good luck with Falkens and Kumhos, and my current Nittos have been superb.

EDIT: Especially not on an M3. Come on, dude.

[itsjustkevin]

I don't mean to be a dick, but I'm just going to say it: there's not one of those in that list I would be dying to put on my car.

Especially not on an M3. Come on, dude.

100% Remember that the tires on your car can make or break the performance of your entire vehicle.

You have a car that was made for performance. Don't sully it with shit tires.

If you must though, nankang has the least objectionable reputation of that list. $50 is dirt cheap for a tire, kind of scary tbh

[hinrichs]

I run nankang mostly now, but I also don't drive the car much and don't need super performance out of it. My tire of choice for a long time was always the fallen 512 and those weren't even bad in winter amazingly.

[MikeeM3]

I have always ran michelin PS2 and PSS but now the car will be a show car and i wont drive it as much and with camber i dont see the point of spending 1000$ on tires and change them 5000km after ...

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

1. Camber doesn't kill tires, toe does.
2. If it's a show car, those "5000 miles" will last you until the tires dry rot.
3. Decent tires don't cost $1000 unless you're running insane sizes.
4. Bargain-basement tires don't belong on a show car.

[Tuck&Poke]

1. Camber doesn't kill tires, toe does.
2. If it's a show car, those "5000 miles" will last you until the tires dry rot.
3. Decent tires don't cost $1000 unless you're running insane sizes.
4. Bargain-basement tires don't belong on a show car.

False.

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

Cite your source if you're going to tell me I'm spreading bullshit. I'm always interested in being proven wrong by reliable evidence.

Does camber cause accelerated tire wear? Of course it does, since you're localizing wear on the inside part of the tread. But, you can always rotate your tires side-to-side and wear the other half. Will you get as much life as if you ran with neutral camber? Probably not. Is that going to cause you to kill your tires in 5000 miles? Not in my experience, at least not with street tires. This also assumes we're talking about a reasonable amount of camber, and not driving on the sidewalls, in which case, all bets are off.

1º of incorrect toe is the equivalent of dragging your tires sideways with the full weight of the car on them for 92 feet for every mile you drive. That is pretty significant. It's even more significant when combined with negative camber, in which even more of the weight of the vehicle is concentrated on the inside edge of the tire, where the damage from toe tends to be concentrated.

You tell me what's going to cause more wear: the weight of the car concentrated on half the tire, or the tires being scrubbed sideways 1.7% of their forward travel.

Relevant, if basic, source: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...e.jsp?techid=4

Relevant section:
"Additionally the vehicle's toe is one of the most critical alignment settings relative to tire wear. A toe setting that is just a little off its appropriate setting can make a huge difference in their wear. Consider that if the toe setting is just 1/16-inch off of its appropriate setting, each tire on that axle will scrub almost seven feet sideways every mile! Extend it out and you'll discover that rather than running parallel to each other, the front tires will scrub over 1/4-mile sideways during every 100 miles of driving! Incorrect toe will rob you of tire life."

[Tuck&Poke]

I know toe causes more wear, but saying "camber doesn't kill tires, toe does" is simply false. Incorrectly set up they both cause wear, toe is just much more severe. Camber does cause accelerated wear. I was a tech at a shop that campaigned a few race cars until recently. I have more experience than most on this subject.

And I wouldn't be caught dead with flipped tires on my show car.

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

Apparently I need to quote your posts to save them for posterity, since you go back and edit them when someone stands up to your words. With that in mind:

I know toe causes more wear, but saying "camber doesn't kill tires, toe does" is simply false. Incorrectly set up they both cause wear, toe is just much more severe. Camber does cause accelerated wear. I was a tech at a shop that campaigned a few race cars until recently. I have more experience than most on this subject.

And I wouldn't be caught dead with flipped tires on my show car.

Then we're arguing over the semantics of the word "kill," not over which causes more dramatic wear. I'm not particularly interested in arguing semantics, and I assume you're not either. In any case, every case I've seen of tires blown through in 5000 kilometers (which is the amount cited by the OP, so I'm going to continue to use that as my definition of "killing tires") was caused by one of four things: defective tires, excessive throttle, excessive sliding, or excessive toe.

Since it's supposedly a show car we're talking about here, the point is moot, since any car built exclusively for show would have such little time on the road as to make trash tires acceptable would be putting so few miles on them that they will dry rot or the owner will go to a different setup before they are down to the wear bars, no matter how extreme the camber. Up on the trailer, down off the trailer doesn't exactly wear tires quickly.

If it's a "show" car that spends time on the street, it deserves quality tires, period. There is no excuse under any circumstances for cutting corners on safety items, especially if cheaping out has the potential to cause harm to others.

While we're waving resumes: 3 years a mechanic for a highly successful PGT rally team, 10 years in the auto industry, judged import shows in Seattle and Portland for about five years. I won't bore you by listing the awards my cars and my work have won. I also have more experience than most on the subject.

[Tuck&Poke]

Apparently I need to quote your posts to save them for posterity, since you go back and edit them when someone stands up to your words. With that in mind:



Then we're arguing over the semantics of the word "kill," not over which causes more dramatic wear. I'm not particularly interested in arguing semantics, and I assume you're not either. In any case, every case I've seen of tires blown through in 5000 kilometers (which is the amount cited by the OP, so I'm going to continue to use that as my definition of "killing tires") was caused by one of four things: defective tires, excessive throttle, excessive sliding, or excessive toe.

Since it's supposedly a show car we're talking about here, the point is moot, since any car built exclusively for show would have such little time on the road as to make trash tires acceptable would be putting so few miles on them that they will dry rot or the owner will go to a different setup before they are down to the wear bars, no matter how extreme the camber. Up on the trailer, down off the trailer doesn't exactly wear tires quickly.

If it's a "show" car that spends time on the street, it deserves quality tires, period. There is no excuse under any circumstances for cutting corners on safety items, especially if cheaping out has the potential to cause harm to others.

While we're waving resumes: 3 years a mechanic for a highly successful PGT rally team, 10 years in the auto industry, judged import shows in Seattle and Portland for about five years. I won't bore you by listing the awards my cars and my work have won. I also have more experience than most on the subject.

I wasn't backing down, what I wrote sounded harsh is all, so I edited it so as not to offend, and we have officially begun to argue semantics, and you are correct that we don't need to bother with that.

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

I wasn't backing down, what I wrote sounded harsh is all, so I edited it so as not to offend, and we have officially begun to argue semantics, and you are correct that we don't need to bother with that.

Cool. I hope you'll forgive the same in my post above if it comes across that way.

[andyp.com]

I had Nankangs on my last set of summer wheels. 300$ish for all 4 (205/40-18)

[MikeeM3]

I have just found some Pirelli P-Zero Rosso on closeout pricing for 116$/each or some Nitto Neogen ZR for 109$/each so i will probably avoid going with nankangs !!!

[Oh Damn, it's Sam]

^ And in the end, everybody wins