What would you pay for these (Perfect BBS RSs)?

[kramerbuccs24]

Never thought I'd do this so soon but another set of wheels has caught my attention, what do you guys think I could get for these?

Front: BBS RS 037 (16x7 et24)
Rear: BBS RS 038 (16x8 et24)

Specs:
-I emailed BBS USA with the serial numbers (they weren't on any database/spreadsheet I could find online) and they bounced it around a few departments and it turns out these came on a Datsun 260Z
-4x114.3 with 4x100 redrill by www.rbwheels.com
-Stripped/painted/clearcoated original centers and wafflecaps (Duplicolor wheel paint with 2 coats Duplicolor wheel clear)
-PERFECT mirror polished lips and original hexcaps that were Zoopsealed
-Original 100% straight barrels
-Black Forest chrome plated bolts
-Original BBS bolts and nuts would be included, half are polished half are original/faded (went with Black Forest bolts because I felt better about the integrity of the wheels with new bolts and not 35 year old ones lol)

Current condition of the wheels:
-99% complete, all I have to do is bolt them together with loctite'd Black Forest bolts/nuts and seal the lips
-They would be sold with 195/40/16 Yokohama S.Drive tires mounted and balanced with sticky weights in the barrels (tires pictured in last picture)

Pics (start to finish, I did all of the work myself with the help of some friends):

Chilling in my garage pre-disassembly:



Two (2) close ups, no refinishing work done here, this is how I got them from www.rbwheels.com :





Centers stripped of paint, lips untouched (this is the only pic I have of the polished up original BBS bolts, they look okay but not 100%):



Two (2) close ups of top-notch redrilling:





Painting centers:



Completed centers, no flash (look for flake, my camera sucks but its there lol):



Completed centers, with flash (again, try to look for flake):




Lips before polishing (note machine marks and lack of mirror finish):



Lips after polishing (money shot ):



One (1) more:






The rest are mock-ups (not bolted down, but otherwise 100.000% complete), some are with my crappy digital camera and others are with my even WORSE cell phone camera:













With tires here:




So, in summary, I'm looking for an estimated price for 100% complete 16x7 et24/16x8 et24 BBS RSs that are all original minus the Black Forest bolts (original BBS bolts/nuts included) with four (4) 195/40/16 Yokohama S.Drive tires mounted and balanced.



I don't have ANY good pictures of the wheels, they're currently 150 miles from me (I'm at school) so that won't happen anytime soon either. They literally look EXACTLY like this one (the lips DO look that good) except with centers that are a little bit darker with flake:


Any insight?

Thanks a lot, and if you're interested in buying them PM me lol.

-Ryan Kramer

[Han]

I'd say $2000 would be fair with the amount of work and new bolts. Are the drop lips sealed correctly? That would be a big one for some people.

[kramerbuccs24]

I'd say $2000 would be fair with the amount of work and new bolts. Are the drop lips sealed correctly? That would be a big one for some people.

Zoopseal is about as good as you can get for an aluminum sealer, so yes! They claim it lasts 3 years but I've heard of it lasting longer with proper care (no salt, no harsh cleaners, etc.) Plus there's no clearcoat to flake off.

[Han]

Zoopseal is about as good as you can get for an aluminum sealer, so yes! They claim it lasts 3 years but I've heard of it lasting longer with proper care (no salt, no harsh cleaners, etc.) Plus there's no clearcoat to flake off.

Oh, no, I meant the actual silicone sealant between the parts to hold the air in.

[kramerbuccs24]

Oh, no, I meant the actual silicone sealant between the parts to hold the air in.

Ohhhhhhhhh ok. They are not bolted down/sealed yet, that's the only thing left to do besides mount/balance the tires.

As far as sealing the wheels, I have Loctite Blue and 100% silicone sealant sitting in my garage, the gameplan is to bolt/loctite them together, then place a small band of silicone on top of each gap, let that set for 24-48 hours, then place a larger one on top of that. That seems to be the standard for reassembling 3 piece wheels.

I've spent ~30 hours and hundreds of dollars on top of the base cost of these wheels, you think I'm going to cheap out on the last step????

[Bimmerteck]

To me their worth $1200-$1400(Wheels only) But they are useless to me if they are coming with the wrong sized tires for my application. More than that and they are bordering on what you can get genuine RSs for. (without the Duplicolor treatment and redrill) Nice to see the original bolts coming with them though as I'm one of those picky bastards that prefers my bolts to have BBS cast into them. The rarest of the OE BBSs are worth about $2k-$2.5 restored everything else works it's way down from there. Sure there are ocasional sets that sell for more but the majority of the market is at $2k or below.


Erik

[kramerbuccs24]

To me their worth $1200-$1400(Wheels only) But they are useless to me if they are coming with the wrong sized tires for my application. More than that and they are bordering on what you can get genuine RSs for. (without the Duplicolor treatment and redrill) Nice to see the original bolts coming with them though as I'm one of those picky bastards that prefers my bolts to have BBS cast into them. The rarest of the OE BBSs are worth about $2k-$2.5 restored everything else works it's way down from there. Sure there are ocasional sets that sell for more but the majority of the market is at $2k or below.


Erik

I'm curious as to what alternative to refurbishing the centers would bring the value up? Powdercoating? The wheels aren't together yet so its not too late. The finish is just about flawless, the pictures don't do it justice (everyone says this but its true in this case haha).

Please let me know!

[Bimmerteck]

BBS OE paint is still available in both silver and gold by the pint and quart, or if you don't have a gun you can buy it in aerosol cans from Wurth. I usually shoot it with a small touch up gun, it holds up better and looks better than any of the off the shelf wheel spraypaints.

[hinrichs]

id say around 2k, i had a set of bbs rs which were nib to me with tires and adapters and no one would pay 2k for them however....

[kramerbuccs24]

BBS OE paint is still available in both silver and gold by the pint and quart, or if you don't have a gun you can buy it in aerosol cans from Wurth. I usually shoot it with a small touch up gun, it holds up better and looks better than any of the off the shelf wheel spraypaints.

Would this be what you're talking about?

http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_prod_id=123,57,363_3157&action=product

Also, the ONLY other non BBS parts on the wheels would the bolts/nuts and the valvestems (I have those, but they seem a little beat up). Where could I source original BBS bolts/nuts that are not stretched, bent, beat up, etc. The ones I currently have I think are beyond refurbishment to 100% perfection like the rest of the wheels.

Also, I don't think the valvestems would have any effect on the value of the wheels, do you? I have BBS valvestem caps though.

Thanks for the help, by the way, I really appreciate it. This was my first restoration process and I want to to it right!!!!!

[Bimmerteck]

Yes that is a spot on match for the BBS OE paint produced by Wurth. If you order from BBS it will come in a small can that looks like this.(Wurth is the cheaper/easier way to find the correct color in the states)



New bolts are $18 each from BBS and hard to get without knowing someone or sending a set of wheels in to BBS for repair. I typically Clean the threads with a thread restorer, soak them in degreaser for 24 hours and then use a vibratory tumbler on them with a ceramic cleaning media. then they are removed, dried, and inspected. Bolts that pass get polished in corn cob media and a final polish by hand with a rotary tool and a small felt wheel with jewlers rouge.

All the bolts pictured below are from the same set of bolts.

Bolts after soaking


The magic media that does most of the work.(available from eastwood)


Bolts after ceramic media


Bolt after starting to get a sheen from the corn cob media


and after polishing I forgot to take a pic bit I will try to remember next time but they look like new.

BTW here's a set of brand new OE BBS 16x9's that have never been mounted for $1600. Pretty good indicator of where the market is IMO.
http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=166595

Erik

[Bimmerteck]

As for the valve stems I've never counted off for replacing them with US sized BBS "style" stems as long as they look the part.

US spec


OE BBS Style(notice the stepdown in size from the securing bolt to the actual cap)

[kramerbuccs24]

Erik-

With that info, I think the best plan for me right now would be to finish the wheels with the paint and bolts that I currently have and put them on my car, then put the wheels/tires up for sale and if I get offered what I want, they'll be gone. If not, if and/or when I feel the need to change up the wheels I'll reevaluate if I should disassemble the wheels again and go for 100% OE BBS spec and if that would net me more money.

Thanks so much for your help again, easily the best/simplest help I've received on any forum in a long time.

[Bimmerteck]

That's probably your best bet as the market for RSs is the lowest it's been in a few years, It will likely bounce back in the next year or two. It's very easy to get into refurbishing a set of BBSs and spend well over what they're worth. I did a set of wheels that ran over 6k (sent to BBS) for a customer but they were the original wheels ordered for the car back in the 80s and he wanted to be able to vintage race it and show it.

[omarsxb951]

I've noticed BBS RS's have been droppin in price lately, especially unfinished ones. I saw a similar set at RB, without refinishing for 650. Of course add another 200 for redrill but for 850 with those specs I almost jumped on it.