why is camber cool?

[Crankey]

I have a tad over 3 degrees on the rear of my truck and I like it, I'd be ok with a little more.
now I'm curious so I'm gonna park on flat ground tomorrow and measure it more carefully.
I just got new urethane bushings on my front end and alignment so I'll check that too but I don't think there is any camber up front.

3+ degrees of camber over 18" will help tuck a 1/2" wider wheel lip and that is always a good thing to me. but for my vehicle I would not go further.

camber that's clearly over done for style and detrimental to actual handling is not my thing at all.

I think it's clear that M.Burrough's car is pretty bad ass though

a little too much camber, maxed out wheel wells and no mudflaps to dampen the roostertail in the rain.

[CandySucker]

buddy because its cool

[Tuck&Poke]

Holy shit this is an old thread.

The amount of misinformation and contradiction in what little I read is pretty funny, but it's nothing new.

[Stick Legs]

Have a look at this.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1423798&mid=212674&i=40&nmt=Time+to+clamp+down+on+stretched+tyres+and+silly+suspension%3F&mid=212674

Quite embarrassed to be associated with some of these twits on PH sometimes...

[zrobb3]

i'm running about -3 on my car, and personally i think it all depends on the car.

[eric@canibeat]

I'm running 5 degrees in the rear, for wheel fitment and looks. Mostly wheel fitment, because my rears are 17x10 et +2.



I also wanted to be a bit different in the VW community, but still have a "classic" look.

[Rally]

[camobox]

heres mine.. these are -3 shims after toe-in alignment printout shows -3.92 in the rear. im gonna wait till its a lil warmer out to put my front camber bolts on which will be around -1.5 up front so it straight flushness. oh yeaa and becasue my toe-in is on point i have VERY MINIMAL tire wear

[*96tegls*]

^ I understand functionality when it comes to aggressive driving and what-not, but in the case of my friends s2k and my TSX, we don't ever really drive the dog-shit ot of our cars, due to the ride height, anyway. So having a ton of grip doesn't really matter for us.... with these cars that is. If building a track car, on the other hand, I would most assuredly take maximum grip values into account.

extremely well put !
H-town reppin

[aar0n.]

I see your point, but when i look at a car, i pay more attention to the body in relation to the ground, not to much the wheels in relation to the body.

I've always been a fan of '60 Continentals, chopped Mercury's, Old school Caddy's....i guess thats why i like the even low slung look with the rears tucked more than the fronts.

But if a car's stance is sagging in the rear like an old ford explorer with the rear oem bags blown, then thats just wrong.

With the bag fully empty on my car the rear sags. Someone told me to put bump stops to keep it from sagging(i find this unnecessary)...i simply just leave enough air in the rear bags to keep it level.

and one more thing....big fan of you car man!

I hear that, it definitely works and looks good on those examples but some newer cars just look off to me when they do that (perfect example would be MK5s). I always have air in my rear bags bc the car sits on tires both on my CCWs and my winter setup so I know how that is

and thank you, it's really a hunk of junk though

[Dangler]

Problem is this gives the illusion of reverse rake to me so I still prefer more rake than completely even on cars with lower rear arches than fronts

I see your point, but when i look at a car, i pay more attention to the body in relation to the ground, not to much the wheels in relation to the body.

I've always been a fan of '60 Continentals, chopped Mercury's, Old school Caddy's....i guess thats why i like the even low slung look with the rears tucked more than the fronts.

But if a car's stance is sagging in the rear like an old ford explorer with the rear oem bags blown, then thats just wrong.

With the bag fully empty on my car the rear sags. Someone told me to put bump stops to keep it from sagging(i find this unnecessary)...i simply just leave enough air in the rear bags to keep it level.

and one more thing....big fan of you car man!

[Grey]

Depends on the type of car also.

I like shakotan/grachan cars, and on that sort of build I want to see CRAZY oni camber. Otherwise it just doesn't look right. If the rest of the car is ape shit bananas, you can't have like 2-3 degrees of mild camber, it would be like wearing a tie with a 10" mohawk. Doesn't work. Same with Vanning builds, Kei cars, etc.

Not so much on other shit. Tons of camber on an S2000 looks kind of goofy, IMO. It can be pulled off if the rest of the car is super aggressive, but it's more of a reach.

[aar0n.]

and rake, depends on the lines of the body (but of course personal preference of the owner of the car). I like a flat even look when dumped, and if that means the rear tucks more, then so be it. Alot of cars have the rear arches lower than the front. Reverse rake is unacceptable.

Problem is this gives the illusion of reverse rake to me so I still prefer more rake than completely even on cars with lower rear arches than fronts

[Petis]

Reverse rake is unacceptable.

truer words were never spoken.

[Dangler]

I dunno. Mike, you know how much I love your car (you owe me a PM whe you get a chance, BTW), but for some reason, I just can't bring myself to like it when wheels are cambered way out. IMO, you car would have been perfect with a touch of rake and -3* or so.

I can fully understand why it's done, and in some cases, up to 5* can look good. I just have a much different taste in stance than most on here. I love low, I love flush, but cambered out just really isn't for me....


BTW, Petis... I do love the hell out of you car, excpt the camber, of course :P

The amount of camber should be the result of the wheels and body style of the car. Whatever flows the best, but in the end it really is up to the owner of the car. Imho, extreme camber looks odd, not bad, but odd.

and rake, depends on the lines of the body (but of course personal preference of the owner of the car). I like a flat even look when dumped, and if that means the rear tucks more, then so be it. Alot of cars have the rear arches lower than the front. Reverse rake is unacceptable.