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[jubdub]

already posted in ride control to no avail, so i figured id ask here...

I have a question regarding my recent camber shim install on my mk4 gti.
I am going to be running a 10.5 in the coming months so naturally i needed some camber to dial in the fitment. I ordered custom cut shims from lella autosport. The specs are -1.5 degrees camber and 1+ degree toe in. After the install i noticed the toe is quite aggressive and the ride is sort of wobbly ( mind you I'm riding on a seven inch steelie with a massive tire at the moment).I decided to add the toe in to correct the aggresive tire wear from the additional camber.

My ultimate question is whether or not the 10.5 will correct some of this "wobble" feeling, being that there will be more surface area touching the ground as well as a lower profile tire...

any relative input would be greatly appreciated. if worst comes to worse ill have to order new shims with less of an aggresive degree of toe in.

cheers

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these pics don't really justify it, but you may get the idea...

[Zic]

Something looks way off. 100% sure you had them installed correctly? I personally would go for 0toe.
I've bin at -8 or -9 camber or something like that, with -2ish toe, and i tore up the tires in no time. Toe is 1000times worse than camber when it comes to how quickly a tire wears.
Putting the 10.5's will most likely increase the wobbliness, its the uneaven toe from side to side that causes it. I would put it on the alignment rack.

[jubdub]

yea im 100% sure theyre installed properly, im going to get an alignment and order new shims with 0 toe. thanks man

[Walnuts]

Why would you want that much toe? Just get some regular camber plates and call it good. 1.5 degrees of camber isn't going to wear anything. But 1 degree of toe and kiss your tires goodbye.

[jubdub]

yea i was told that toe in would correct tire wear on vwvortex like a year ago when i ordered the shims, obviously not true. i ordered new metal shims, -2 degrees camber, 0 toe. should have done more research... thanks for the input.

[Stupid Kid]

Generally factory specs on suspension will specify that you want a little toe in on the rear to compensate for the crest in the road. I've got .25 on my 5 series. Theoretically your rear tires will wear slower with this amount of toe in than zero.

But yeah any more than that and you'll feel wobble and less traction and your car will pull.
I had like 3.7 degrees toe in on my right rear after I dropped it and it was gnarly

[jubdub]

yea, too bad i spent the money on shims without the proper knowledge... oh well new ones are on the way

[Shepherd]

Actually, you need to correct the toe a little on FWD MKI, II, III and IV VWs...
Thanks to the twisted beam rear axle, the lower you get the stub will move up and forward, causing the stub to sit at an angle and rotate.
So when you have just horizontal milled camber plates, they'll turn as well, turning the camber into toe in.
It's enough though to cause massive tire wear and to get the ass slipping a lot, especially in the wet.

To fix this, you have to get your camber plates milled at the angle, so that when the car sits on the ground, the milled surface would be in a 90° angle to the road.

...or even easier, get some EZ Shims or other camber plates that fit the bolt pattern of the MKIV stub and just follow the advice given here (and make sure to remember that passenger and driver's side are flipped in the UK, lol.)

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=88044.0

It's how I adjusted the shims on my MKIII (I turned the shim by 4 tabs, though) and my ride is all smooth, even in the wet. ...and my tires last ~18000Km before I need to flip them.

[jubdub]

yea i got shims from lella autosport that bolt onto the existing bolts adjacent to the stub. good stuff.
thanks for the input. cheers

[Oh, Word?]

Always go 0 toe. You won't notice a handling difference at all and your tires will thank you. Ran -45 on my old srt4 at 0 toe, tires didn't wear at all and it handled pretty damn good considering how the suspension was set up.

[Minty_Fresh]

need to get rid of that toe, thats causing your handling problems.

[jubdub]

thanks dudes, waiting on the new shims, ill post an update once they're on.