My FG1!

[Sprinqer]

Threw a spacer onto the fronts and dialed in the camber to somewhat match the rears, same ol shitty wheels but it looks a lot better fitment wise now.

[Sprinqer]

Give us more pics

Will do once I get my hands on another camera

If you have a race alignment shop I would let them know of your current suspension setup and what you want to do with it and they can set it up for around $100. You might want to soften the front shocks, more rebound in front and less in the rear is an easy way to get the car to rotate. With the thicker front sway bar being stiffer than factory, you can take advantage of that and allow for a lot more rebound/compression than you would be able to get away with stock without shredding your tires and fender liners.

There are so many ways to induce oversteer and understeer on FWD vehicles. Take some time and mess around with them.

Tire compound in the rear isn't a big deal in terms of handling dynamics(understeer/oversteer) unless it's less grippy than the fronts. If you have sticky summer tires in front and less sticky all seasons in the rear, the car will feel planted until the rear tires lose grip instead of invoking the rotating feeling you want. You have to consider lateral forces on the tire that cause them to lose grip, also FWD cars tend to be nose heavy and a harder compound tire in the rear might cause the rear to hop during weight transfer and lose grip unpredictably.

A car that understeers on crappy tires will still understeer on R compounds, just to a lesser degree. A car that oversteers on crappy tires will still have the overseer characteristics with an R compound tire, just to a lesser degree. Get the suspension set up properly, and no matter what tire compound the car has, it will be predictable and not have the negative characteristics you are trying to make up with a stickier tire.

Some old option videos go more in depth on this subject, IIRC they would get the car as light as possible and run a reverse stagger setup to reduce unsprung weight. To counter the less grip in the rear, they would run stiff suspension all the way around to induce slight amounts understeer so that when the car is about to lose grip, the front would start to slide and it would be more predictable during a slide. If you poke around the trdforums you can also find more info on reverse stagger race suspension setups.


Sorry for the long posts, just want to share some knowledge from when I worked with a small "privateer" racing team.

No worries about the long posts! You brought up a lot of stuff I would have never considered haha. I had a sport summer tire in the front and I THINK R compounds or just below R in the rear, which may have played a part in the understeer too. Whenever I get enough funds to build another car I'll probably build an ek/eg hatch for autocross so all of this info will come in handy!
You seem to know your stuff

[rice4life]

I had my suspension pretty dialed in, I think my largest issue was the rear tire compound/size and my front swaybar being larger than factory. If I would have had 215s in the rear and a factory front swaybar it would have been a lot better imo.

If you have a race alignment shop I would let them know of your current suspension setup and what you want to do with it and they can set it up for around $100. You might want to soften the front shocks, more rebound in front and less in the rear is an easy way to get the car to rotate. With the thicker front sway bar being stiffer than factory, you can take advantage of that and allow for a lot more rebound/compression than you would be able to get away with stock without shredding your tires and fender liners.

There are so many ways to induce oversteer and understeer on FWD vehicles. Take some time and mess around with them.

Tire compound in the rear isn't a big deal in terms of handling dynamics(understeer/oversteer) unless it's less grippy than the fronts. If you have sticky summer tires in front and less sticky all seasons in the rear, the car will feel planted until the rear tires lose grip instead of invoking the rotating feeling you want. You have to consider lateral forces on the tire that cause them to lose grip, also FWD cars tend to be nose heavy and a harder compound tire in the rear might cause the rear to hop during weight transfer and lose grip unpredictably.

A car that understeers on crappy tires will still understeer on R compounds, just to a lesser degree. A car that oversteers on crappy tires will still have the overseer characteristics with an R compound tire, just to a lesser degree. Get the suspension set up properly, and no matter what tire compound the car has, it will be predictable and not have the negative characteristics you are trying to make up with a stickier tire.

Some old option videos go more in depth on this subject, IIRC they would get the car as light as possible and run a reverse stagger setup to reduce unsprung weight. To counter the less grip in the rear, they would run stiff suspension all the way around to induce slight amounts understeer so that when the car is about to lose grip, the front would start to slide and it would be more predictable during a slide. If you poke around the trdforums you can also find more info on reverse stagger race suspension setups.


Sorry for the long posts, just want to share some knowledge from when I worked with a small "privateer" racing team.

[Loaf31]

Give us more pics

[Sprinqer]

Damn, what happened to the back of your quarter? Went a little heavy with the roller? Lol

...yeah I kinda destroyed them because I had no fucking idea what I was doing

YOOOO THATS DOPE. but go back to white wheels
OR
or
maybe even a really dark red

also I love the wing without the middle portion

I kinda want like a really dark red like you said or a dark metallic purple, idk yet really.

So what are you doing with this car? You want it to handle, but you have reverse stagger and more camber in the rear than the front? I'm pretty sure that's why it won't rotate


If you want your car to rotate, make sure your front spring rates are stiffer in front than the rear, also set the front to it's softest setting on the shock adjustment and the rear to it's hardest. Make sure to set your sway bars at their "weakest" setting front and rear. Do a few laps around a track or your favorite road and adjust the shocks accordingly without the stiffness of the rear exceeding the front. Once the car's ride starts to get the feel you want dial in the camber and toe. A little bit of toe out in front is OK, and it will make the turn in a bit quicker. Then do camber, typically the front should be more than the rears but it shouldn't exceed the contact patch of the tire under load, as they compress when turning and need more grip. Then set up the rear with a little bit of camber if you feel it needs some. If the car has too much oversteer, adjust the front sway bar to a "thicker" setting, if too much understeer adjust the rear sway bar to a "thicker" setting. To get a car to rotate, a reverse stagger won't help a whole lot if the rest of your suspension isn't optimized. Just make sure that you have enough suspension travel as well so your suspension can adapt to the turns for more grip under throttle and adapt to quick weight transfers.

When done you should have a car that will have the rotating feeling without lift off oversteer and one that will respond well to left foot braking.

If you decide to go a bit more extreme with the settings, and stiffen everything up for the fastest possible turn in and turning response you might face lift off oversteer and you can exceed the grip of your tires.

Good luck man, stay safe.

I had my suspension pretty dialed in, I think my largest issue was the rear tire compound/size and my front swaybar being larger than factory. If I would have had 215s in the rear and a factory front swaybar it would have been a lot better imo.

[rice4life]

So what are you doing with this car? You want it to handle, but you have reverse stagger and more camber in the rear than the front? I'm pretty sure that's why it won't rotate


If you want your car to rotate, make sure your front spring rates are stiffer in front than the rear, also set the front to it's softest setting on the shock adjustment and the rear to it's hardest. Make sure to set your sway bars at their "weakest" setting front and rear. Do a few laps around a track or your favorite road and adjust the shocks accordingly without the stiffness of the rear exceeding the front. Once the car's ride starts to get the feel you want dial in the camber and toe. A little bit of toe out in front is OK, and it will make the turn in a bit quicker. Then do camber, typically the front should be more than the rears but it shouldn't exceed the contact patch of the tire under load, as they compress when turning and need more grip. Then set up the rear with a little bit of camber if you feel it needs some. If the car has too much oversteer, adjust the front sway bar to a "thicker" setting, if too much understeer adjust the rear sway bar to a "thicker" setting. To get a car to rotate, a reverse stagger won't help a whole lot if the rest of your suspension isn't optimized. Just make sure that you have enough suspension travel as well so your suspension can adapt to the turns for more grip under throttle and adapt to quick weight transfers.

When done you should have a car that will have the rotating feeling without lift off oversteer and one that will respond well to left foot braking.

If you decide to go a bit more extreme with the settings, and stiffen everything up for the fastest possible turn in and turning response you might face lift off oversteer and you can exceed the grip of your tires.

Good luck man, stay safe.

[Loaf31]

YOOOO THATS DOPE. but go back to white wheels
OR
or
maybe even a really dark red

also I love the wing without the middle portion

[Earl]

Damn, what happened to the back of your quarter? Went a little heavy with the roller? Lol

[Sprinqer]

Got bored, did a thing.

[Sprinqer]

I miss this look

Honestly I just miss being low lol, the Ryvers were really cool when I was low as shit. If they were both 9j with decent offsets, I maybe wouldn't have gotten rid of them :/

[Earl]

New page, new pictures. Lightroom decided to take a shit so I have to use this new program that, frankly, I have no idea how to use. So pictures are gunna look kinda crappy because I'm just using a preset lol.

I miss this look

[Earl]

The wing just looks out of place to me with everything else besides the wheels looking pretty stock

[Sprinqer]

The big wang looks great. Kinda reminds me of the newer Si's.

Thanks man! It's actually a Mugen rep wing, for the usdm mugens/ mugen rrs.

[SeattleStance]

The big wang looks great. Kinda reminds me of the newer Si's.

[Sprinqer]

What tires are you running?

Currently 235/40 Nexen SU1s in the front and 225/45 Kumho Ecsta XSs in the rear. Running about -2.5* of camber in the front and -3.8 in the rear. Thing still wont rotate lol.