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    Hi guys

    So, to begin with, this is a comprehensively updated first/original post of my thread. At some point Imageshack decided to delete all my pictures, and hence all my threads on forums are now just filled with boring words. I am fully aware that people don't come into my threads for my lyrical genius, they come for pictures. I will hopefully have this post completely updated to about now (late 2016).

    If you're excited thinking that Brad finally got his ass into gear, I'm happy to disappoint you again in that not much has happened. I seem to be the laziest mofo on the planet, easily demotivated and distracted. I'm so good at reassuring myself that I won't bother putting an essay into why I think that is, as that'll only support the notion. Instead, I'm doing probably the most boring thing you could ever do in a forum to hopefully maintain the motivation I currently have.



    Onto the story...

    We got it in 2000, jack all happened until a few years ago, and I spent a tonne of money on it in 2015. I started this thread in 2012 as there seemed to be little reason to have on previously. This is a bit of a build log so that I can keep up to date, hopefully Flickr doesn't randomly delete all my photos. Anyway, on with the story...

    It all began back in June 2000 when a very close family friend, Richard, had an old 850 mini in storage at his motherís place. It was supposedly a deluxe with a Twin SU 998 (ended up being an 1100), rust, and not much else. Out of his good will he gave it to us for the princely sum of one bottle of Jack Daniels. Dad had known Richard since he bought his old Mini K off him in 1984, so that would go some way of explaining the great "price". Long story short, we got it home to our place in Lugarno. Some pics of how it was on arrival -

    My younger brother (Bryce), Rob Clarsen, Myself




    Bryce, me, Rob, and Dad all pondering what sort of trouble we have got into














    And one which showed how small the little tyke was, next to our (then) fairly new Camry




    My dad, Graham Gorman, ran the Lugarno Lions Spring Fair car show for years (I think one of the lions said 8 or 9 years, but Iím not sure). Having joined the MCCNSW and knowing how many minis went down to the park on the third Sunday of September, we decided to trailer the 850 down for a laugh. We tried for 'Most original', and even had a little blurb printed up (lost to history). Some didn't get the joke and babbled on about the house paint, non-standard 1100, different seats and badges, etc. Whilst they were dull, they did ensure the path this mini went was not down the original/concourse route. Well done, it's definitely one way to ensure concourse classic cars don't have a following.
    So, within a few months of ownership plans were slowly being hatched for a modified mini.

    Here's me (what a pudge) with the mini



    My best matesí dad had a California Moke. He had restored it and boy was it fun



    In that same year, we had some bodywork done by a reputable panel beater, CT Auto resto's. We had the horrible rust cut from the drivers A-pillar/guard, rear hinge rust repaired, passenger aerial hole welded up and some other stuff all for $440. What actually happened was the tradesman who worked on the car is used to restoring GT falcons, so he finished the little drivers guard so quickly that he decided he would do the passenger side too! Nice generosity.
    It seems ridiculous to get that work done for that price these days, but I guess it was a decade and a half ago...


    My favourite picture of dad with the mini. Probably the only one of him with the car apart from the first few. This car was/is an extremely frustrating project



    Throughout the following years, we got hold of a set of 7.5" discs/hubs for the front, and ended up getting the calipers rebuilt at the old Mini Spares at Padstow, Sydney. These were sprayed up red once completed and dad somehow managed to hide them from me for about 4 years. He always assured me they were safe!

    I got John Leffler to rebuild the hubs and do the ball-joints etc, but I donít have 'after' pics for that work

    7.5" discs and hubs











    Along the way we have bought and been given a small amount of parts. A good etch-primed bonnet was had from a Lucas Heights swap meet (I don't know how I remember that), we also got a pair of Selbyís rear shocks off Richard, various tid-bits, numerous gearboxes, another 1100, wiring, gauges, etc.

    We had done some bodywork ourselves, taken a lot of the panels back to bare-metal and applied various levels of primer and sealants. From memory, we cut the front floors out around 2006. One of dads Lions mates worked at Lincoln Electric, so we managed to get a huge plasma cutter and MIG welder (+ all the gas) for use for a little while. The floors were out quickly and the new replacement floors tacked in (Dad possibly bought them from Mini Spares, Iím not sure). Unfortunately, they haven't been touched since, but have been covered so the time hasnít have hurt them too much










    Some of the paint stripping and re-priming in 2011 -










































    My dad had battled off cancer in 1994 and had been cleared for many years. I never really knew why he was so sun aware, just assumed it was the usual small sun spots/skin cancers. Unfortunately near Christmas 2009 the melanoma had returned and despite his healthy lifestyle, chemo, radiation, and strong will, he succumbed to cancer on the 12th of June 2011. Under the assumption he'd make it to christmas that year, I was working feverishly to get it painted before his time was up, I had it booked in for media-blasting at Quikstrip Bankstown on the 10th of June, and Con from CT Autos was ready to assess, fix and paint it for me (at this point whatever money I had was no object as the sentimental value out-weighed any thoughts of financial savings)

    Despite being "given" until the end of the year 2011, he was taken before I could get the mini done. I look back now and regret a few little things in that time as I had swapped jobs and started an apprenticeship, low on money and time-poor from being worked like crazy and studying. In his last days though we agreed that the "bloody mini will be finished". It was nice that he retained his good sense of humour.

    Fortunately for me I had an excellent friendship with my dad and through him I had learned to love these little cars, so with our often-spoken plans in mind the mini build continues (and continues, and continues...). I'm still poor, just like any young Sydney side home-owner.



    A few years back, before dad became ill, we had modified a subframe with camber slots, gusseting and general strengthening. Adjustable tie-rods and rose-jointed bottom arms were bought. We have some progressive rubber cones, some subtle geometry changing suspension pieces and a mini suspension guru. In October 2012, I degreased, sand-blasted, linished and filed the top arms. Leffler ordered a new bearing kit and is installed it. In 2012 I stated "All this is going to be mixed in and hopefully Iíll have a front subframe more or less built by February 2013", I wish I could say it has happened, but I changed my plans and spent more money. More on that later.

    Some pics of the suspension bits before cleaning (I can't find any post-cleaning photos)
























    And with that, 2012 was brought to a close. However, 2013 was going to start with a bang as I ordered some JBW 10x6 mambas with Yokohama A008's wrapped around them.

    They turned up Jan 2013







    Not to get any wide-wheel mini fans disappointed, but they were sold off soon after to a nice bloke down in Hobart. I hadn't even opened one of the packaged pairs.


    In September 2013 I took possession of Richards old motor. He built it up in the late 80's, so it's probably about 30 years old now. He built it up to some capacity above 1400cc. His memory is hazy on exactly what and we havenít stripped it down yet (and it won't be until later). Anyway, it's a thick flange block on a gearbox. It's currently safely stored away all sealed so it can hopefully be refreshed one day and torque steer the mini

























    By 2015 I moved back in with mum. Rebuilt my life and found a fantastic new girl, travelled to Europe, been a tradesman for a bit over a year. The body looked rough after being left covered but outside, so I started making more plans.

































    I had decided to get the shell blasted, and also decided to run coilovers with a rear beam. After discussion with the Engineer the rear beam has turned into something a little like a subframe, but a lot lighter and more adjustable. To do all of this, I needed to take some photos for reference of the boot and rear end, then strip and drop the rear suspension. This meant I needed to make a little jig/trolley for the shell to roll around. The body is no longer a wheelbarrow! That's what I call progress!



















    Indy assisting...














    The new jig/trolley that I made up out of some pre-cut steel and Bunnings locking caster wheels















    Then just before it was to be blasted I needed to remove as much of the gunked up crap on the underbody to ensure the blaster would have no issues with this crap. It sucked, it was super messy and dirty, uncomfortable lying on cold concrete on my back for hours and hours... but the results were well worth it. If in doubt, look at the pics further on after blasting


















    Interesting angles of the floor, they really came into play when we were designing the rear bar. I had assumed it was the same level right across the back end previously






    Last minute cleaning/scraping the night before the mini goes!





    Some doors, they might be used in the build











    April 2015 and the mini gets to see the street/a road for the first time in 15 years. The previous time was when we took it to the Spring fair in 2000 (there's a pic of pudgy Brad right at the beginning of this post).

    To say I was excited would be a massive understatement. I even took a video of Jim driving off







    The next time I saw it, I had it delivered to AGI. While I was scraping and cleaning over the previous month I had been in contact with Adam Gotch of AGI about getting a roll cage made up. Through Richard I found out Adams expanding business was looking for a classic mini to develop a roll cage. I was looking for a roll cage. It was a good partnership. So, Adam and his efficient work team took the mini, took a tonne of measurements, got me to get seats so we could figure out a seating position, took measurements for the door pockets, etc. and popped out a beautifully engineered roll cage for classic minis. Have a look if you're interested, there are a few different levels and prices, at www.agi-precision.com.au. Built to pass FIA and CAMS regulations, purely because that's how they do things...



















































    Whilst Adam had the car, I had to search for some seats that would fit in the mini. Problem is that I wanted fixed back that were high enough so the harness holes weren't below my body, that were wide enough to fit me in without breaking hips, yet not too wide so they could fit into the diminutive internal dimensions of the mini. Easily sorted! if you are thin, which I am not. So, after looking through spec sheets of brands like Sparco, Racetech, Corbeau, Recaro, Cobra and Bride without much success - sometimes due to size, sometimes due to difficulty of trying a seat (like Recaro, which don't have a NSW dealer). I thankfully found what I was looking for in Velo. Mr Sydney minis kindly lent me one of his old Velo Milano seats, and while it was comfy, the back wasnít high enough. Not a big issue, Velo have heaps of seats, and being Australian, they have good sizing AND a local distributor to try the seats (Motorsports Connections in Seven Hills). I ended up taking a punt on their GPT-2 seats, with some advice ordering two from the same batch so the yellow stitching would be the same tone (yeah, I'm anal).

    Matt's Velo Milano graciously loaned to me


    The Milano vs a Velo GP


    My GPT-2's in the garage




    AGI were busy making the Roll cage, starting by welding in foot boxes to tie into a few surfaces as they were worried that in a roll-over the cage feet would possibly punch through the floor. The rear pockets were cut out, but with discussions with Adam I believe it may be possible to do without, and at worst case the pockets could be put back in (if interested, speak to Adam before taking my word as gospel)






    The seats were needed mainly to determine how far back the main hoop was, thankfully I had a say in that as I'm a bit over 6'











    The Roll cage on AGI's jig before and after paint






    Photos from AGI









    Then finally getting the car home I chucked the seats in to check how they look and for rough dimensions. It seems the dimensions were close! Not surprising in theory, but it's still a butt-tightening moment when it comes so close!

    The idea for the seats is to have the drivers on slides and the passengers locked in solid. They have the side seat mounts with various holes so the seat angle can be adjusted, and the seats have pull out cushions, so there might be a future second set of cushions that are thicker/denser for a bit more comfort for the tushie.
    Position-ally, the passengers must have its left shoulder wing tucked behind the B-pillar to give the driver's side enough room to have it slide and rise over the door lock B-pillar indent. To facilitate the mounting, I have had some mounts made up out of sheet metal in the desired top-hat shape (dictated by engineer), however, because I'm pushing the dimensions the mounts interfere with the exhaust tunnel. More on this later in the post



























    The seat mounts are around the wrong way here, I have corrected this after asking Velo's helpful customer service bloke




    Got a Weber





    The plan is to run coilovers and remove the rear subframe and run a rear beam with trailing arms. I had a steel works place make up a thick beam using the dimensions I had taken when I was cleaning the crap off the underside of the body just before blasting. I also got them to make up some L-brackets to hold the trailing arms on. One weekend in Sept 2015 I ventured to Richards and we worked on the beam and the brackets. It currently sort of resembles something of use! I need to get someone to do some structural work to the beam (IIRC it's 5mm thick, too thick for me to cut with a grinder precisely), but hopefully by the end of these pics you'll see where we are headed with it. It will have a fair bit of camber and toe adjustment, and despite the necessary bar work (which now resembles a subframe), it's lighter than the original, and will suit the flat boot floor.












    Took the old rear subframe for any reference measurements we'd need




















    Yes, I tried to get Richard to wear more safety stuff. No, he didn't listen to me













    This beam will run across the back end, tying into the existing rear subframe bolt holes in the floor





    The beam with the rear plates welded in. The camber slots are welded on the end plates with the end plates then being drilled and filed to match the camber slot holes






    The inner brackets which will be able to be adjusted for toe with shims







    Richard fitting up the driverís side trailing arm. The knob bit with receives the trumpet in a standard mini need to make way for proper rotation







    These holes are for the inner brackets. I will drill through the heel board of the shell and have captive bolts in the interior so the beam can mount up to, and we can adjust toe with shims from the outside



    The next step with the beam is to modify it to match the profile of the exhaust tunnel and handbrake cable. I have some nice little aeronautical rollers that will route the cable through the beam and up the tunnel. Then trim it all up to make it fit nicely (more so for aesthetics). To mount it to the shell I will need to get some dome or cap head bolts, assumingly high-tensile, for the outer bolts, and then some bigger bolts for the internal trailing arm brackets (IIRC we drilled for either 3/8" or 5/8" but will check when needed).

    Once the beam is done, then it will be a case of connecting some lengths of tube between the beam and the length of rectangular tube shown earlier. Sounds easy as hey!


    Onto the next few items, first I sold the mambas a while back without them ever touching the car (two of them weren't removed from their packaging from England). In their place, I went (imo) all-out. I contacted the lovely chap Carl from Force Racing in the UK about some wheels. Originally planning on buying their 3-piece mamba-style 10x7, I was swayed when Carl mentioned he was making a new mesh style design. So, I ummed and ahhed a bit and decided to throw caution to the wind, buy the wheels without seeing a proper one and go for it. I ordered some 10x7 with black centres and polished inner/outers with equal dimensions (both 3.5"). I enjoyed the fact they were the first set to head out of Europe and only the 3rd set at all, however they haven't been used yet, so the surprise is sort of ruined.
    To compliment the wheels, I was looking at getting some Yokohama AO32R's, but another nice bloke from Sydney minis hooked me up with some lovely Dunlop Formula R's. Getting them mounted will be an interesting exercise.





















    My mate thought it'd be funny to see them up next to his 33" muddies. He was correct, they look ridiculous




    With the plan having evolved a while back to go a little nuts, I contacted Protech UK and had a good chat with Kevin (I think) and discussed my plans. He was a lovely bloke who was quite knowledgeable, with the discussion done, they ended up making me a slightly custom set which had a longer body for the rear to enable a bit more droop for road handling. Like the wheels, these were ordered and delivered then put into storage until they are needed.

    Front coilover and mounting kit


    Rear coilovers, straight (not offset)





    This year I have made a few little goals with the mini, one is the boot floor, another the turrets, another the seat mounts. So far I have drawn up the boot and turrets and left it at that, but I have managed to get some mounts made up. These are only the beginnings, as the inner ones interfere with the exhaust tunnel, so will need some chopping and welding. Hopefully I can make some modest progress and get the seats fixed in.














    Thatís most of what happened, 2000 was an exciting year when we got the mini, and it was an on again, off again type project, where Dad & I made little bits of progress (not forgetting the much more modest plans back then). It obviously took a massive hit in 2011 when Dad passed away. The next few years were a struggle with life and various things getting in the way. It wasn't until 2015 where most of what you have seen actually happened. It has been a quiet 12 months since, but I am hoping that I can slowly nut these little issues out and get the mofo into the next phase in the not-too-distant future. Fingers crossed



    Brad
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    Seeing this makes me super happy! Great work buddy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queef|Chief View Post
    Seeing this makes me super happy! Great work buddy!
    Thanks mate. i'll be chucking up some more progress very soon (when work enables me) some more exciting stuff

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    Next, January 2013 and my 10x6 mambas with A008s turned up from the UK.



    It's all about dish *cough*




    Fast forward to match 2014
    In May 2013 my ex and I (a great way to start a sentence...) bought a place out past Picton, about an hour south-west of Sydney. Life turned pretty shit, i missed all my friends and family and the mini was neglected still at mums. Come March 2014 i wanted to come home.
    At the same time I had an offer to sell the mini and all of its bits to a prominent mini racer in Sydney.

    I didnt.

    I learnt the sentimental value was too strong and im a stubborn mofo, so it stayed. June 2014 the Ex and i had broken up and the house sold, blah blah, i moved back home with mum, the dog and mini.

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    Dude keep at it! I'm sure it'll be done in no time!

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    POW!

    It's late 2014. I get a new girlfriend, she's awesome. I started thinking seriously about the mini.
    We went to Paris and Baveria Germany over december and half of Jan 2015. Once back i started hatching plans and get things organised.

    The desire to run coilovers has been strong but it was always figured too much effort and money, but i'm going to go all out and do it. I'm very lucky being in the position im in currently so i wont waste it by wondering what could be.
    To run rear coilovers we will cut the old turrets out and weld in new 100mm tubing to accept the 80mm OD protech coilovers. With the coilovers we will be running a rear beam to mimmick the front of the rear subframe, doing away with the weight of the old rubber cone suspension.

    A side effect of the turrets is that the original fuel tanks wont fit so a new fuel cell will be made/bought and put into a new rear floor. Eventually.

    To register the car for our roads it needs to be engineered by authorised guys, so i found a good local bloke and have spoken to him. The car was booked into AGI engineering in Peakhurst, Sydney for the end of March but due to their schedule it was delayed. At the same time i spoke to a sandblaster about blasting the mini once and for all to reveal all of its secrets.

    To aid the works i made a trolley up and tacked the body to it. I also got under and scraped whatever rubbish i could off the underside of the body.


































    I took some snaps of when Jim from Quikstrip turned up for the body. It was the first time in a decade and only the third time in 15 years the car had seen the street



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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmo135 View Post
    Dude keep at it! I'm sure it'll be done in no time!
    thanks mate, we still have more progress. im just starting the juicy stage

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    Fuck work...

    The pictures after the mini was dropped off to the magicians at AGI engineering for the rollcage work. I'm quite happy with the shell condition. From other shells i have seen, this one is solid but just a bit rough in some areas





























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    Next Adam @ AGI needed my driving position so they could make the cage to suit.

    Now a quick story about Adam at AGI. The bloke is australian and spent over a decade at the highest levels of motorsport, and worked for Williams F1 team as an engineer. So he eventuslly came back home to Sydney, and one of his mates who is involved in movies and stunt car stuff asked Adam if he would like some work making cages and cars for a movie. Long story short he and his little awesome team made over 100 cages for the new Mad Max movie. Through that he was able to start his business fabricating racing cars, but the roll-cage work has taken over. AGI cages are very common in local drift and circuit cars here, and as he is always looking to broaden their kits he was interested in doing one for a classic mini. Thats where my car comes in. A mutual friend sent me his way and the ball got rolling.

    So we needed a seating position for the mini. I'm certain i have a little OCD, as i refuse to do the usual trick and have one racing seat and a notmal for the passenger. The issue with a mini is its lack of interior width. We measured 1140mm between the B-pillars just above the door lock bulge.

    Im just over 6 foot and about 95kg. I now know while im not fat, i am thick set. Just for reference, i used to play football (soccer) and run about 30km a week and was at 85kgs. So im thick set (some would just say im thick - any aussies would get that).

    I spoke to the engineer and because my car was built in 1963, it pre-dates our Australian Design Rules (ADR's), which means that it still needs to comply to rules, but nothing too strict. So with that info, the engineer is happy for me to have good quality fixed-back bucket seats from a reputable brand as long as we mount them properly. In short, some race seats arent ADR approved, but as my mini pre-dates the first ADRs it can be legally registered with those seats.

    After scouring through forums for minis, Lotus', Mazda MX5/Miata & anything else with a narrow cabin i was at a loss. I found dimension sheets for every seat i could find by Recaro, Sparco, Cobra, Corbeau, Bride, Racetech and Velo (probably others too, but i cant remember). Nothing would fit my hips AND fit two wide in a mini, as the wing/shoulder width of the seat had to be 570mm max and most were around 600mm.

    On the left is a Velo Milano (which i know does fit in a mini 2-wide, but doesnt fit me...and doesnt have the look i want), on the right is the Velo GPT-2

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    So after a few weeks of frustration i had a real 'fuck it' moment and bought two Velo GPT-2's. Because why not hey.

    They are Australian seats with a great reputation, they were quite comfortable, FIA approved, and their wing width was 580mm...

    we figured the seats could be narrowed slightly to fit, but even though their approvals (FIA) wouldnt apply anymore im a bit worried about compromising the seat shell strength.

    Here i picked them up from the other side of sydney once they came in from Adelaide, South australia.
    Velo sometimes use different yellows between batches so i got two from the same batch to ensure their shades of yellow matched. Thats my slight OCD in play again...


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    I forgot to mention i sold the 10x6 mambas that i had bought at the start of 2013. They hadnt even got out of their packaging (obviously one did, but 3 didnt). They now reside in Tasmania on a nice clubman.

    ...my car has no wheels...

    So this is how the seating/staggering issue stood. I placed them between two verticals at 1140mm apart. Thats the measurement i have off a mates mini thats between the B-pillars just above the door lock inset, which should be the area the wings fit into.

    Theres about an inch of overlap. From sitting in the seats it doesnt seem to interfere with anything but my OCD



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    Subbd! Looks like a good start! Sorry to hear about your dad
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    Such a great story so far, and sorry for your loss. Can't wait to see more. Since it's only the shoudler bolsters that interfere with each other, can you mount the passenger seat a little bit behind or in front of the driver, just to get around the width issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DER E30 View Post
    Subbd! Looks like a good start! Sorry to hear about your dad
    Quote Originally Posted by anth View Post
    Such a great story so far, and sorry for your loss. Can't wait to see more. Since it's only the shoudler bolsters that interfere with each other, can you mount the passenger seat a little bit behind or in front of the driver, just to get around the width issue?

    Thanks guys

    Yeah I asked around and even emailed Velo whether they had any records of people fitting the seats to a mini and they all staggered them.

    To hell with that! they'll fit side-by-side...sort of

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    So next on the list was the roll cage work. Once I had the seats i dropped them around to AGI and we mocked up my driving position. Once they had some measurements they marked the positioning for the main hoop and the building could begin.
    Because i'm a bit long in leg, i realised the seat back was behind the B-pillar, so adam grabbed the second Velo and put it in the cabin. Seems that the seats fit side-by-side behind the b-pillar by a bee's dick, but that's all that is needed!

    As you can see in the pictures below they were welding bases onto the car with captive nuts, then bolting the cage will bolt directly to those bases. This was done due to the age of the metal the cage is bolting to.

    The idea is to have the whole cage removable by one, and the front half as it will be taken out for road duties. The rear stays mount to near the top of the rear firewall to maintain the required 30 degrees from the main hoop, they will then bolt to the top of the main hoop. Speaking of, the main hoop is on a slight rearward angle to allow me some more backward room with the seat angle, pretty nifty. these blokes have done a cage or two before...













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    Just as a tease, here is the completed rollcage on the jig before painting


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    The bloke is australian and spent over a decade at the highest levels of motorsport
    Looks cool cars

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    Quote Originally Posted by rliezhepet View Post
    The bloke is australian and spent over a decade at the highest levels of motorsport
    hard to believe hey

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    next was the cage painted assembled to check it went together properly before being mounted in the mini


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    So with the help of my brother and couple of mates we got the car back home last thursday. Roll cage is complete! I really couldn't help myself but i had to dummy the seats up











    you can see how much space there is with the seats...



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    Old mate Richard came over on the weekend and brought a little gift. a Weber 45DCOE

    this is how the passengers seat sits when the drivers is in a more-or-less perfect spot to come forward on rails/slides. It will have to come across slightly, but i think we can make it work


    drivers front on, the rails will angle up so the wing will rise as it comes forward to miss the b-pillar


    Looking at the passenger seat as close to the b-pillar as possible



    Said Weber 45DCOE, roughly setup for a 1408

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    and you're all up to date now... thats how the mini sits/stands.

    Next up is fabricating the rear beam and sorting the suspension out. We're running with the good old camber pin idea, similar to below, on the trailing arms so we can have camber adjustment, and we'll be modifying the internal mounts so we have toe adjustment. It's simple so should be fool proof (i.e. i can use it)


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    Interested to see how the OCD goes when you find the steering wheel sitting 20mm off centre from the driver... My old AU falcon was like that from factory. Worst car problem ever and I couldn't believe it was factory like that...

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