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Thread: Jay's Bagged and Linked 1958 Chevy Apache

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    Default Commonwealth Shop Truck. 1958 Chevy Apache

    Some of you may know me from my `87 Mercedes 190e 2.3-16v build that I never update, or you may own a set of bag brackets for your benz that I made. I`ve always been into old trucks and have passed up opportunities to buy something old too many times before. My dad`s first vintage truck was a 1950 Chevy 3100 that we pulled out Kentucky when I was about 12. It was the typical shop truck look. Flat black, red wheels, white walls and some leafs removed to bring it down. I always had a thing for that truck and have wanted something like it ever since.

    Here's the truck that started it all


    When I was in my final semester of college (January 2014) I decided that I wanted to get a new project since I`d soon have the income to start a major build. Being from Canada there`s not much good old steel that`s affordable so I turned to Craigslist to find a good candidate. I spent weeks scouring listings in the southern states where rust is not common and amazing patina is on mostly everything. I was in the market for a 58-59 Apache. Preferable all there, original paint with sun baked patina, long bed step side and not completely molested. I emailed and texted everybody with a truck that met the criteria, but everything was either too expensive, too shitty, or they didn`t wanna work with helping me ship it to the Detroit border.

    Finally one day I stumbled upon the ONE.


    All there, original patinaed paint, step side long bed, unmolested orignal 235 inline 6 and 4 speed trans. The only issue was it was in northern Texas and only had a phone number to call. I said fuck the long distance charges and gave the guy a call. We talked and negotiated price and logistics and he sent me some more pics of the truck. From what I know he was the second owner and only had it for a couple years. The owner before him died in the late 90's and I believe the truck had been sitting since 1974 since that's the year the plates are dated that came on the truck. The price was right where I wanted it to be so a deal was struck. I sent money via paypal for a truck I had never seen in person to a guy I never met in hopes of owning my dream truck. This was in January 2014. A couple weeks later I had recieved the title in the mail and I was one step closer to owning the piece of old metal.

    The pics I recieved from the previous owner









    The months after that were filled with finishing school, on again off again with a girl and finding a career. Getting the truck home was on the bottom of my priority list, but never left my mind. I landed a job as a robotic weld technician for a company that makes brakes pedal assemblies for the big three shortly after finishing school. The money was finally coming in and it was finally time to get the old girl home. After a month and half of getting the run around from shipping companies I finally had the truck delivered in Detroit on October 31st. Exporting the truck from the US was a bit of a bitch as the policies had changed since I did it last. Importing to Canada was a breeze. Canada border patrol FTW!

    Pics from the day I saw it in person for the first time. Happiest ever! Shoutout to my amazing buddy And shop mate Brandon for helping me get the truck back on the longest day ever.




    So now youve probably read all this crap and you want to see some pictures of a badass bagged truck. Well sorry youre out of lucky. I moved from home to a different city an hour away from my old shop to be closer to work. This resulted in me not having much time for the truck, but finally the time has come. Just this weekend my buddies and I moved all our junk to a new shop that is 5 minutes from my apartment. This means I can finally spend some time on the truck.

    The plan
    4-link rear and Mustang ii front end
    5.3 lm7 mated to a tremec t-56 6 speed
    Ford 8.8 out of a Ford exploder
    Steelies and bias ply tires (possibly astro supremes at some point)
    Stockish interior (bench seat, original gauges, no flashy shit)
    Bagged
    Keep the body how it is
    Do burnouts
    Drag frame

    I might possibly keep the stock motor in it if I get to the point where it's driveable this summer just so I can drive it.

    I recently purchased a big boy welder after my old 110v lincoln was stolen from the old shop. All the fab work I will be doing myself using my new to me Lincoln cv400 mig welder. Its a big sum bitch and I'm thrilled to start using it.

    I figured I'd start this build thread today as I spent most of the day ordering parts. The list of parts I have or have coming are

    Heidts Mustang II front crossmember
    All tabs and rod ends for 4-link
    Jim Weimer air bag control arms
    Jim Weimer 2" drop spindles
    Jim Weimer big brake kit

    Anyways on to some current pics

    Unloading into the new shop. You might be able to notice that I pulled most of the leafs out of the leaf packs just to get a vision of it being lower. Shoutout to my buddies Brandon and Madison killin it on the move


    With my Yamaha XS400 cafe project that I hope to finish soon


    Little peep mirror i pick up for it


    When it was still at the old shop I cut out the rot in the floor and tacked in replacement panels. Then my welder was stolen and I couldnt finish the other side



    So that's my story. I hope I haven't bored you guys and girls too much. I'm planning to have frequent updates to keep you guys filled in. Also check out my IG as I post a lot on there too. @jaymarshall
    Last edited by Jay92; 12-03-2015 at 06:18 PM.

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    Man that truck looks the business! Perfect patina! I even love those wheels! Looks badass already with the ass low like that!

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    Thanks man! I'm really happy I found something with original paint. And I don't **** those wheels, but they gotta go as I'm converting to 5-lug

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    Got some work done on the truck last night. Was at the shop till 4am. Got about 3 hours work in. Lifting a bed off a frame by yourself is not something I recommend, but it worked out. Best thing about patina is not worrying about scratches.

    Picked up parts from UPS and the post office in the morning. Heim joints, bushings, tons of tabs and frame brackets. Enough to get started on the 4 link


    Pulled all the rotten original wood out of the bed. Plan to use incorporate the bigger pieces into the build just not sure what yet. Didnt get any before pics of the wood in the bed, but it was in pretty rough shape


    Then since I was already there and I was on a high i figured why not hack the back of the frame off


    Then had some fun with setting the bed over the wheels to see how she'll look. Will be lower after I notch the bed sides



    In other news I blew up the motor in my daily (2000 civic) last wednesday. Figured it was time to be a grown up and stop messin with $500 dailys. Picking up a loaded 2011 Volkswagen Tiguan on Monday as I have the day off. Then probably spend some time pulling the front end off the truck and getting that ready for the clip. Hopefully if UPS comes before I leave for work tomorrow I will have the control arms, spindles and brake kit. Pretty stoked to be gettin somewhere on this
    Last edited by Jay92; 04-16-2015 at 11:20 PM.

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    why chop the frame? In for updates, the truck does have a great look to it as-is


    "Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

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    Cut the frame in preperation for the notch/back half. Getting new frame rails laser cut with a nice big notch instead of a universal notch. Just feel that it looks a whole lot cleaner.

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    Parts came in last week for the front end. Narrowed air bag control arms, 2" drop spindles and "big" brake kit. Heading out to the shop after work tonight to try and pull the front end off and maybe get the motor out of it so I can start getting the crossmember fit and start mock up.

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    Old truck on air? Subbed.

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    Well got about 7 hours in on the truck last week. the first night I pulled the front fenders, hood, axle and all that stuff off the frame. Second night I pulled the motor and while doing that it was easier for me to get it out by removing the cab as well. Now it's ready to start fitting the mustang 2 crossmember and get the front rolling while I wait for the frame rails to be laser cut for the rear.

    Sorry for the crap Iphone pics. Need to get a decent camera one day

    Front end off


    Probably what ride height will be. couple inches to the "rocker"



    The mess of collective parts


    My buddies 280 in the back that he NEEDS to finish

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    Got the mustang 2 front crossmember welded im and mocked up Friday night. Pretty straight forward. Couple measurements some welds and done.




    Some "weldporn". Picked up a Lincoln cv400 for really cheap. It's the biggest mig welder Lincoln offers so I'm no longer limited by my welder. Finally got it set up last week and got it pretty dialed. Programming welding robots at work makes me appreciate and love manual welding so much more.



    The lowest part on the frame is that middle tranny crossmember. With that on the ground it leaves about 2 inches at the rockers and about 3 inches at the mustang 2 crossmember. I'm gunna make a new tranny brace that will allow it to lay out fully with the stock engine/tranny

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    cool, great share..
    Cool bmw

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    great job!

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    Oh and nice truck of course. I love that bodystyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoul Duke View Post
    Nice welds man!
    Thanks man

    Small update

    Picked up some Cragar SS's for cheap on Friday. Unsure if I'll use em yet. I'll decide once I get the body back on. I more or less got them as roller wheels, if I don't like em they'll go on my dad's 57 Bel-Air wagon. Not bad for $80 tho



    I started preping the rear end last week as well. Got the leaf spring mounts ground off and the lower link mounts welded on. New frame rails should be ready this week. I'm on vacation next week so I'm going to attempt to have the rear rails welded, 4-link done and the body back on to see how she looks. Should be an exciting couple of weeks

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    Love (all caps)

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    Was on vacation this week so got a decent amount of work done. not quite as much as I had wanted, but that's just how things go.

    Picked up the laser cut rear frame rails friday and promptly got started boxing them in. This was probably one of the harder things I've had to do. A lot of checking to make sure they were square and didn't warp when welding 72 feet of butt joint. Basically tacked the 2" flat bar on the plates then continued bending and tacking to get the curve down.



    I didn't get any pics of them final welded yet. I got them tacked onto the frame and in position. The passenger side rail needs some straightening from a bit too much heat when welding, but I've got a plan. After I got them tacked on I positioned the rear end and got the lower 4link bars in position. Mounted them as high up on the frame as possible to keep them parallel to the ground at ride height. I've changed my mind on how I'm going to do the upper bars so more to come



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    so in for this!!

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    That all WelderSeries stuff? Ive got thier Triangulated air 4link and M2 front end kit for my 50 pontiac im building.
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    he mustve enjoyed that bj.

    i know for a fact you chubby bitches could suck the air bubbles out of a brake line

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    Quote Originally Posted by benz88 View Post
    That all WelderSeries stuff? Ive got thier Triangulated air 4link and M2 front end kit for my 50 pontiac im building.
    The formed brackets for the lower link mounts are from them. The rest of the brackets are from TMR customs. Funny thing is welder series is just down the street from my old shop im Breslau. I didnt realize that until i had the parts sent to the new shop.

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    Took a couple weeks to take a break from the truck. The upper four link crossmember was driving me nuts and caused me to loose some motivation. Threw the cab and fenders back on and set the wheel on to see if it looked cool. It does and I found my motivation. I couldn't come up with a good idea that would look somewhat OK. First idea was to build a truss over the pumpkin and mount the arms in the center of the diff and at the frame. That wouldn't work to get the right length and angle in the upper arms. Then I thought to bend a hoop and mount the arms on the axle tubes and the center of the crossmember/hoop. That wouldn't really flow with the rest of the chassis (cuz that matters apparently). Then I came up with this 3/16" x 2" x 4" rectangle tubing, welded together and smoothed out. still need to finish the curved portion at the top and sides to give it some flow. Anyways got it all tacked up, upper and lower arms are parallel with eachother which is nice and plenty of adjustment in the heim joints for pinion angle and the axle cycles smooth through its stroke. Now that that's done time to mount bags and fully weld everything then smooth all my welds out and radius the edges.


    Threw some roller wheels on from my buddies old ls400. Needs tall bias ply tires for sure.

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    looking good man. i look forward to updates so keep working a posting please!!!


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    Threw the body back on and rolled the ol' girl outside today. It's set pretty much at my desired right height. So happy with it right now.

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    So Cool. Love how you made those chassis rails.

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    It's been a couple months since I updated this build. Been busy with life and haven't had much time to get into the shop, but I think things have slowed down a bit and I've got some parts collected to get more done.

    So in the past couple months I sold my broken STi swapped Impreza that's been taking up space for a couple years now


    Also did a good clean of the shop after the subie went and been helping my buddy with his 280z. Just a chevy 305/T5 combo to shred some tires with. It's actually pretty close to running now so watch for that.



    Took some scrap metal back and loaded up the beer fridge with some adult pops


    And the last few weeks I've been helping another buddy with his Forester XT. Manual swap, bagged and Work Euroline DH. Still needs some adjusting to go lower, but it's almost there. Sorry for the shitty pic.


    And recently I`ve also been working on designing some parts and getting them laser cut for the truck. Have the upper and lower rear bag mounts cut out and ready to weld and just finished off these LS motor mounts I`m working on

    These will be going up for sale on my webstore that I`m working on. They`ll be sold with a bushing and brackets to be used as a universal weld in kit, as well as the bag mounts.


    Last edited by Jay92; 11-10-2015 at 04:13 PM.

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