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Thread: Benz people! Need W124 help, E36 Coilovers?

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    Howdy all, looking to get low with a W124 (93 300E) I'm not 100% opposed to cutting springs, but it would be nice to have some adjustability. I've done as much research as I can dig up over the last few days and it seems that a lot of people talk about running E36 coilovers in these cars. Although I have seen it discussed a few times now, I'm just wondering if anyone has some first hand experience before I drop money on some coilovers blindly. I'm 99.9% sure I know what to do up front, but no one covers the rear. Looks like maybe the shock works, but not the spring? I have no idea...

    Here is the main thing that pops up:

    http://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w1...coilovers.html

    It has some great info, but turns into a shit show thanks to the super conservative elitist benz guys popping in with the "don't lower your car, its not how MB designed it to be" argument.

    This guy appears to be running them up front on his wagon, but that's about the only person in the states I can find actually using them. I still can't figure out if he's still running the seperate spring or not though...

    http://mbworld.org/forums/mercedes-v...ny-extras.html




    Anyway, help, advice, opnions, whatever would be great. Thanks.

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    Ended up biting the bullet and going for it, most everything works. We're getting through a few hiccups and then I'll post a few pics showing the process and how it sits.

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    hey I just saw this, sorry I didn't say anything, but ya I don't have any 1st hand experience either, but I'm anticipating the build and what you come up with. It would give us 124 people more choices if it ends up in your favor. Don't forget to keep us updated. Or you could pm me with the link to wherever you end up posting this. Thanks.

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    Please keep us informed man. I'm about to do the same but I have to figure out what to do with the rubber strut mount before I jump in on anything.

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    Here's what we got out of it so far:



    The couple of pics I have from the install:





    My insight on the front so far:

    Amazing to me that the strut bolts right in. The only thing we ran into was that the upper hole for the knuckle is a tight fit, still works, just a bit of a speedbump. It's setup with the cut benz spring and the coilover threaded way up with no helper. Works fine and rides pretty well, but you can hear the coilover bind when turning at low speeds. You can see that there is a bit more stress on the rubber mount, but I feel that with the stock springs still in there it is fine. The plan moving forward is to either try the coilover setup with the helper spring only, or to try and make a strut bearing work in the vehicle. I'd like to see if we can modify an E36 strut mount up front. As long as you are ok with drilling new holes (I am) I don't yet see why it wouldnt work. That part is to be continued...

    The rear:

    In the pic, it shows the complete E36 setup, which would be great, but the shock is too long. it bottoms out with the raceland spring, even with the adjusters all the way up. We ended up cutting the benz spring and putting it in with the raceland adjuster so that we could dial it in a bit. It works, but it's not low enough for us. Next step is to either find a shorter shock (W202 sport package rears look to be our best bet) or to modify the upper mount (maybe incorperating an E36 upper mount) so that we get the travel back.

    So, the easiest answer is, yes it works. But, it's not perfect, probably better than cut springs and stock shocks at least. The rear is the biggest hang up for us, the W124 has way too little room between the shock mounts, which really hampers the amount that you can lower out back. As soon as we get it dialed in more, I will make sure to post it up here.

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    Great thread, right on time for me, because next week i gotta purchase all 4 shocks about my w124 coupe.
    I'm really confused and can't get a decision about what exactly to do, because i have 2 options:

    1. sport shocks, designed for w124 chasis, but the maximum drop is 70mm (front + rear)
    2. e36 coilovers (95mm drop), but i gotta cut the rear shocks, because it's not possible to cut the original w124 rear shocks, or just to purchase 2 rear shocks (from the first option) with maximum drop of 70mm which will be enough i think.

    I was thinking about the rears from bmw e36, will they fit to w124, but now i know, thanks to "Iam138", so i think there will be no problem about shortening the e36 rear shocks.

    After all i thing to get the e36 coilovers, and if i'm not satisfied with the rears, ill simply get the w124 shorter ones.

    @Iam138 - is this with max out the front coilovers? i see that the wheels are big, but i think it can go lower.

    Also @speeds_ runs with front e36 coilovers, but without the srings, he runs the original mounted springs, and his w124 is really low on 17's -> http://stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19255

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    I'm pretty sure it has at least another 1.5 to 2" more room to go lower up front before any problems. We are actually taking out the coilover spring today, so we'll see what kind of changes that makes.

    I'm not sure about shortening the rear E36 shock, the problem I see, is that the body of the shock itself is the biggest hang up. If you could take 2-3 inches (at least) of the shock body, you would be good to go. I'm currenly looking for a bolt in (or close to it) shock for the rear with something like a 12" compessed length, as opposed to the 16" or so that we have now.

    The shortest thing I've found so far with the same mounting is a W202 sport package rear shock, which is 14.5" compressed.

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    95 Ford Ranger front shocks work on the ass ends of our cars and are SHORT. No cutting, no bullshit. Just bolt them in.

    Edit: I had to search high and low for stubby shocks because I converted my dads wagon from the SLS to a normal system. Right now he's on air. lol
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    so am I correct in understanding that you can't use the e36 coilover as a complete unit? You have to take off the spring and just use it as a shock? If so doesn't that defeat the purpose of using it as an adjustable coil-over or am I just being retarded? Because if you're just using it as a shock, there was a link posted here where you can buy adjustable shocks for our cars that are also make for low versions of our cars. So why not just go that route with some cut H&R springs for a w124 wagon? (higher spring rating right?) I just haven't gone that route cause my car has been off the road since December =(

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWY HNTR View Post
    so am I correct in understanding that you can't use the e36 coilover as a complete unit? You have to take off the spring and just use it as a shock? If so doesn't that defeat the purpose of using it as an adjustable coil-over or am I just being retarded? Because if you're just using it as a shock, there was a link posted here where you can buy adjustable shocks for our cars that are also make for low versions of our cars. So why not just go that route with some cut H&R springs for a w124 wagon? (higher spring rating right?) I just haven't gone that route cause my car has been off the road since December =(
    no, actually you can use the wholo front coilover from e36, without removing the springs from the shock.
    you can even keep your oem srpings when you put the coilovers, there isn't actually any problem.

    but i'm wondering if i purchase rear coilovers for e36, because they're adjustable too, will i have any troubles when i put them on my car? plug & play? i'm talking about something like this -> http://www.ebay.de/itm/JOM-GEWINDEFA...#ht_3153wt_992 or this -> http://www.ebay.de/itm/BMW-3-E36-JOM...#ht_2400wt_992

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    Think I might try the e36 set up on one of my W201s..

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    Hi Guys, did you manage to get anywhere with coilovers for Merc. I have W114/115 and looking to slam her as well. Could I be looking for Gold...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZUBZ View Post
    Hi Guys, did you manage to get anywhere with coilovers for Merc. I have W114/115 and looking to slam her as well. Could I be looking for Gold...
    really can't understand you, you're looking for w114/w115 shocks/coilovers, or you're asking will those e36 coils work on your platform?

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    w114/115 will not work with e36 coils. its a completely different setup altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by projektzwo View Post
    no, actually you can use the wholo front coilover from e36, without removing the springs from the shock.
    you can even keep your oem srpings when you put the coilovers, there isn't actually any problem.

    but i'm wondering if i purchase rear coilovers for e36, because they're adjustable too, will i have any troubles when i put them on my car? plug & play? i'm talking about something like this -> http://www.ebay.de/itm/JOM-GEWINDEFA...#ht_3153wt_992 or this -> http://www.ebay.de/itm/BMW-3-E36-JOM...#ht_2400wt_992
    Correct, you can run the entire assembly. I just don't like how it binds a bit up front, we're currently trying to find a solution to take a bit of the pressure off the upper strut mount.

    The rear is a bolt on deal, but for us, the raceland shock wouldnt allow us to go low enough. We just got a pair of Saab 900 rear shocks like speeds_ runs out back and they look like they will do the trick, something like 11" compressed out back.

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    I know that in some theard @ 190rev.net are available coilovers for w201 that are the same for w124. The price is about...950-1200$ if i remember...

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    For fun, here it is bottomed out on the tires up front with the rear sitting about where we want.



    Pretty sure there is more room to go down, but the 19's are stopping us.

    Ended up pulling the coilover spring and pretty much just going with a cut W124 spring up front with the helper only adjsuted all the way up on the coilover, no binding, rides really well. The W124 spring is cut enough that if we start threading down the coilover, it will lower the car a but more, probably to about the point we had it in the first pic.

    Out back, it is a cut W124 spring with the raceland adjuster, and a Saab 900 shock (Monroe part# 5977) It rides great and still has about 3 inches of travel.

    Comparison shot of the rear shocks:



    You'll notice that the lower mouonting point on the saab piece is wider, we simply trimmed it down so it matched up with the stock mounting location. Super easy.

    This is how it sits as of now. Up about a 1/4" from the pic where it was on the tires:



    At some point when the weather is decent I'll take some good pics of the car.

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    Good work and thank you for the details and contribution.

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    thank you and everyone else who contributed to the thread for the write up!
    you guys are true heroes.
    threads like this is the reason why I joined StanceWorks.

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    Thanks fellas. Glad to be of help. There is a serious lack of info out there on modifying these cars.

    I made up some fender spacers (like the AMG ones) today for the front fenders. Hopefully those will get us enough clearance up front to go down a touch more. I feel like 17's or 18's are really the ticket for a W124 though. The overall diameter on these 215/35/19's is just a lot for the square fender shape.

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    respect for Iam138, really helpful posts...

    i've purchase front and rear coilovers for e36, and can't wait to put them on the car, i'll try to fit the rears.

    and i'm thinking that the 19's are really big for those fenders but after all if you don't want to lower it as sh*t, you're fine, otherwise i think the 17's are the right size for slamming the w124's...

    i'll post everything about my work on the suspension when the coilovers arrived, probably at the end of the next week...

    cheers!

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    sweet success.


    and has anyone found anything on modifying sort of camber plates to replace those rubber front mounts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krolik View Post
    sweet success.


    and has anyone found anything on modifying sort of camber plates to replace those rubber front mounts?
    camber plates will be expensive for sure, and i don't think that you really need them, you can easily fit whatever you want, and if you still rubs you can use those front fenders spacers, to achieve more space...

    here it is what i have found some time ago, about the REAR (adjustable) camber arms...

    Quote Originally Posted by projektzwo View Post
    i found information about DIY rear camber arms (adjustable), the price for 2 is around $85 and will work on:

    w124, w129, w170, w171, w201, w202, w203, w208, w209, w210

    here it is the parts list which you can purchase from: www.speedwaymotors.com



    and here it is assembled one:






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    it's not that i'm concerned about the rubbing, what i'm concerned about is the coilover exerting so much pressure on that strut mount that it would rapidly deteriorate and shoot through the hood. the mount only holds up to the flexing and movement of the strut itself, if you add a spring to that system, that's quite a bit more tension on that little rubber mount.

    i'd imagine camber plates in themselves would solve that issue there and viola, full on camber control with no worries of it flying through your hood. In addition, you wouldn't worry about the coilover binding as the camber plate is basically a bearing. i see they make some universal plates on ebay, i wonder what it would take to get those to work.

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