HAHAHAHA it's about time

[Kielan]

I understand the letter, I am talking about all of you, the people in this thread.
And how am I bitching? I am simply stating the facts.





They are not exact, the Rotas for instance are much more concave and have thicker spokes. They are very similar for sure.

And what do you do for work? Do you work in an industry where things are sold? I bet I can find a similar situation with you.

All I have to say is that you are an idiot if you really think that the Rota's aren't copies. I have seen both side by side, and unless I was sitting there with a ruler I would never be able to see size difference.

You know you are a really good troll right. GTFO.

[Kielan]

No guys he's right because this isn't an exact rip off.

Real logos.

http://fakewheels.com/2009/04/vork-wheels-ravs-engineering-wtf/

[Rally]

They are not exact, the Rotas for instance are much more concave and have thicker spokes. They are very similar for sure.

I'm not sure which wheels you're using in your example, but the differences you listed are VERY VERY minor and probably hardly noticeable from the untrained eye.

The law only requires a substantial similarity to deem something an illegal copy. If there are minor differences that would be looked over by your average customer such as a slight change in spoke width, that's not considered enough difference. In the case of any of the replicas I've seen, they are all blatant copies and would be considered to be infringement.

An example being a ralph lauren shirt and a fake one. If the polo player on the horse was facing the opposite direction, you might point that out as a difference and say it's not a copy. More than likely the court would disagree because it would still be considered as having a substantial similarity and would be deemed a copy.

[Francois Dillinger]

http://fakewheels.com/2009/03/all-ha...mighty-bbs-rs/

Ronals... fakes? hmmm.

And the images.

[jasonklee]

http://fakewheels.com/2009/03/all-ha...mighty-bbs-rs/

Ronals... fakes? hmmm.

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[Average_Jerk]

There is more than just one company and more than just one wheel that they are copying





bah who am i kidding those look nothing alike

duh, one is bronze


lol

[Dave_The_BMXER]

http://fakewheels.com/

(comparison site of legit vs. fake wheels)

http://fakewheels.com/2009/03/all-hail-the-mighty-bbs-rs/

Ronals... fakes? hmmm.

[Tuck&Poke]

There is more than just one company and more than just one wheel that they are copying





bah who am i kidding those look nothing alike

[KarlSpackler]

And there you go, that is exactly what Mackin has done here. You just proved their point while trying to defeat it.. Good job, you're an idiot.

And you are doing what now?

I understand the letter, I am talking about all of you, the people in this thread.
And how am I bitching? I am simply stating the facts.

Karl, I think you completely missed the point of the e-mail Mackin sent. They would rather lose the business of said dealers who sell both Mackin products and their replicas than just sit and "take it" that other people are ripping off their products. They're standing up for themselves and it might lose them some business, but they're backing their own company.

From a vendor perspective... Completely agree with them selling both products. They're there to make money and they can make money from both - especially the replicas as of course, they will sell more than the more expensive, but "real" counterpart. They both have their places in this industry, but what Mackin is trying to say is that they do not condone people "ripping off" their hard work to sell at a lower quality and cheaper price just to make a buck.

There are literally an infinite number of possible designs for a 6 spoke wheel. The replicas are DIRECT copies right down to every little detail. It's not like they're just two "similar" designs.

Just because something happens every day in other venues doesn't make it morally right. I think it's disgusting no matter what venue it's coming from.

They are not exact, the Rotas for instance are much more concave and have thicker spokes. They are very similar for sure.

And what do you do for work? Do you work in an industry where things are sold? I bet I can find a similar situation with you.

[Francois Dillinger]

I wish tthe sarbanes-oxley act reaquired companies to publicly disclose their code of ethics. Id love to see rotas

[aar0n.]

Rays should beat Rota at their own game and start producing a line of low-budget aggressive offset wheels made in some poor country. japanese tire companies do it (Yokohama makes budget tires in Singapore; Sumitomo makes cheap Falkens in Thailand). If Rays made a line of wheels that people knew were parts of Rays (without making it obvious) and sold them for $50 more per wheel than Rotas, I'm sure people would pay alittle more for the name.

the problem is there is no middle ground for wheels. you either drop $2500 on Volks and SSRs or $800 on Rotas. There's no reputable brand thats in the middle. I suppose Enkei and TSW fit that range.

Mackin already produces G-Games wheels which are priced lower than Volks

[Oxer]

I want a fake wheels dot com sticker!

[jasonklee]

http://fakewheels.com/

(comparison site of legit vs. fake wheels)

[Kielan]

c'mon guy, that shit is almost fucking idential. There are thousands of six spoke wheel designs but i have a hard time telling a rota apart from volks. Your gonna tell me that jmags just happen to look like mugen m7's too because its a 7 spoke wheel. There is no innocence in this.


a walrus is not an alligator, so that is not ripping them off. Its different. The laws allow for that and that's absolutely fine with me. If they tried putting a fucking alligator on their clothes, you bet your ass Lacoste would sue the shit out of them.



and this shows that you know nothing about the factors that determine the price of a product. Volk doesnt sit there and go, you know what, lets just charge like oh i dont know.... 3 grand for this shit right here, im sure people will buy it.

All of this.

[Tuck&Poke]

That is business dude. If Mackin isnt smart enough to patent their designs and R&D, then they deserve it. And please, it is a basic 6 spoke wheel design, it isnt like it is the SSR Formula mesh face with the star in the middle.

c'mon guy, that shit is almost fucking idential. There are thousands of six spoke wheel designs but i have a hard time telling a rota apart from volks. Your gonna tell me that jmags just happen to look like mugen m7's too because its a 7 spoke wheel. There is no innocence in this.

If you go and look at any company that makes a product, the exact same thing is happening. Clothes, food, wheels, farm equiptment etc etc etc etc etc..... it goes on and on. Walmart had a stripped polo that I saw when walking buy that had a small walrus or some shit on it on the breast instead of an eagle or aligator. I am sure Walmart copied Old Navy who copied American Eagle, who copied Abercrombie, who copied Banana Republic, who copied Acoste who copied etc etc etc.............. It is called competition, so what makes Mackin so special?

a walrus is not an alligator, so that is not ripping them off. Its different. The laws allow for that and that's absolutely fine with me. If they tried putting a fucking alligator on their clothes, you bet your ass Lacoste would sue the shit out of them.

Wouldnt be pissed, I would beat them over the head with Marketing/Advertising on how poorly made and shitty their product is. You either have to take the low road or high road when it comes to pricing your product, pick one and own it.

and this shows that you know nothing about the factors that determine the price of a product. Volk doesnt sit there and go, you know what, lets just charge like oh i dont know.... 3 grand for this shit right here, im sure people will buy it.