Domestic Violence

[martinm13]

Do you have zipties holding your windshield together??

[FABEL]

Stance has nothing to do with being low or being high. its just the way the vehicle sits. fuck,

not directed specifically at you benz, but I never said my car was stanced. the fender says slammed & this roadster is deeper on it's nuts than any other car I have ever seen online, in person, or heard people talk about.

a paperweight to the pavement type of vehicle like this could never have 1st class fitment of any sort. it's clear much of this forum is not nearly as low, or you would understand that the only way to not get stuck on the smallest road deviations is to pitch the wheels directly over them if they can't be avoided at all costs.

if the frame were to hit these changes in road conditions, cracks, or dips, it would become a fight between concrete & metal & I without doubt the entire car would stop like a tugboat anchor.

I am more than proud of the fitment. you can't fit a childs finger into the wheelwells & yet I have full turning capability without worry of the wheellip jacking into the fenders. there's a reason why the crown of every fender is perfect.

Frame Bangin' FABEL.

[benz88]

Stance has nothing to do with being low or being high. its just the way the vehicle sits. fuck,

[Nicolaus Pro]

Merry Christmas Myles! Hope you, Evan, Kamil and everyone else has an awesome break <33333333

[TrunkStyle]

MrJereMoose, has just explained it it all in more than a nutshell; More like a bombshell. Simply Brilliant.

[FABEL]

in case I forget, let me wish a very merry christmas to everyone out there in the land of SW.



fa la la la la to my video, FABEL for President: http://vimeo.com/47802352

[FABEL]

^ to answer this comment . . .

it's just very rare to see anyone even attempt to understand my car or myself. I was very proud to see some level of support by those below, as well as Kielan, Pavel, Funfgang, DeathSquad, & others much earlier in this thread. so I pread some love the one night I was thinking about all this.

now quit haitin' Topaz!

I'm not sticking up for Fabel as there's no need but...

It probably isn't practical for someone who can't drive a low car but for someone who can, it's as practical as can be. That's the magic of this car and owner.

You have to meet Miles to have half a fucking clue to understand what's going on here. You'll see those of us that are "standing up" for him are people who know him personally. Once you meet Miles and spend 5 minutes which will turn into 45 minutes of conversation, would clear up all of the confusion about this car and it's owner.

Pretty damn true.
It's always a good ass time with Miles

Dude is straight bonkers. I watched him sprinkle Parmesan onto his shoulder. No I'm not kidding. I have mad respect for him, and am genuinely excited every time I come across him

I met you Fabel at h20i, we were taking pics of my E36 M3 at the end of 26th street while you were shooting another miata. in the 5 minutes I talked to you, you were super nice (looking out of my MV lip) and very genuine. I love this fucking car. I used to have a static low B4 passat wagon back in the day that you could not see daylight while looking underneath. Like someone said, if you can drive it that low, it is as practical as it needs to be and just as much fun.

[Topazkd]

Fabel i need to get on whatever shit your on son, cause there is something seriously wrong here! Sir

[FABEL]

it's late. I've been drinkin', but before I return home, it's important I say I love you. all of you.

the friendships - they matter; the passion we all put into our cars - matters! & I'm just proud to be a frame bangin' along side of all you fools.

forever follow your dreams, remain true to your visions, & may you all smile as deeply as so many here have shown me to do myself.

thank you. Frame Bangin' FABEL.

[MrJereMoose]

My point was to stop the "Someone needs to define stance" posts.

I support a Fabel Presidential campaign.

Maybe attach some broom heads as a front lip and you can be a street sweeper.


My intention was not to derail the campaign, but to get people to focus on the issues.

Regardless of the definition of stance, this is the lowest Miata I've seen in pictures, and it does seem pretty cool.

[FABEL]

^ thanks for posting that Mr.JereMoose . . . Nic Foster is, well . . . this:

earlier I forgot to reference 'rake' which some like/dislike & others feel it depends on a specific car. regardless, what was your point in posting here?

. . . cause um, I've been nominated to run for president but you've interupted my campaign like a pebble about to be dragged along the road while it's ground into nothingness by my undercarriage.

[MrJereMoose]

It's the total package, not certain pieces

[FunfGang]

See, again, even there that is claiming that low is a requirement for "proper stance". This is an issue that's been beaten into the ground countless times.

[MrJereMoose]

Stance Defined: A Formula

As written by Nic Foster, StanceWorks:

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the official Stance Formula.
I’d like to think I’m a student of Stance. I capitalize Stance on purpose; for the same reason Catholic’s capitalize God. Some of you may be aware that I’m an engineer. I work with numbers, criteria, mechanical envelopes, and constraints all day long. Most of the things in the engineering world come about from equations, safety factors, or other design criteria that must be adhered to. As a good student of Stance, I look at cars quite a bit on the internet. Clicking on links of links. Getting lost in a sea of still images, each one showing a different definition of what Stance might be, or how someone else perceives it. Part of me has always thought that there must be some sort of equation that provides a basis for proper Stance. Here I make an attempt to define the variables and relationship between those variables that blend together to make a well balanced Stance.

Variables:
Gap — A measure of distance between wheel lip or tire to fender. Although weighted differently than low, the lack of fender gap creates an aggressive look and the feeling of danger due to the potential for damage (see Damage further down). {G1} refers to gap between the front wheel/tire and front fender. {G2} refers to gap between the rear wheel/tire and rear fender. {G1}{G2}

Wheelbase — The distance between the wheels of the automobile in question. {Wb}

Muffler — How much space there is between the ground and muffler can. Busted mufflers that dangle and move need not apply. {M}

Oilpan — Common place where low is measured. Usually at the front of an automobile, this Low measurement marks the begining of the Low Function. {Op}

Rake — The slope (rise over run) of the bottom of the automobile were Low is measured.



Exhaust — Another common place where low is measured. Exhaust usually extends back from Oilpan and is measured in inches. {E}

Low — The measurment of clearance from any portion of the automobile to the surface on which it rolls. Of course Stance is not acheiveable without low. In all forms of Stance, low is a requirement. Low can be expressed as a function of previously defined variables.



Wheel — A rolling appartus that the tire mounts to, providing increased style and personality to the automobile in question. Wheels can create Stance in one of many ways. Customization, rarity, size, uniqueness, marque mismatch. {w}

Poke — The extension of the wheel lip even with, or past the fender line. Poke can be achieved with spacers or, in the case of modular wheels, wider outers. Poke can be excessive, depending on other variable measurments poke can detract from Stance. {P}

Stretch — The use of a tire that is more narrow than the wheel. In order to mount these tires one must “stretch” them beyond their normal design constraints. {Sr}

Damage — The lack of damage is not a penalty when talking about Stance, but damage as a direct result of Stance is seen as a form of Stance in itself. Like the enherinet hangover associated with drinking too much, damage seems to be an acceptable side effect of Stance. Like a hangover, damage hurts at first, but is then worn as a badge of honor. Fender damage from the effects of Gap, or mechanical failure of oilpans as a function of Low, and damage in the vain of Style are all acceptable forms of damage. {D}

Tuck — When Gap becomes a negative number. Used only in reference to wheel lip. {T}



Style — The most subjective of all variables. Style refers to the ability of the automobile owner to create Stance through the use of unique materials, vision, and unique combinations. Style could be best described as the artform of Stance. {Sy}

Constants:
Daylight — The presence of photons (in a wave or particle form) emitted from the sun. {Dl}

Relations:
Working on relating all the variables to eachother is essentially the process of Stance. Some relations have already been defined through the explanation of the variables. Rules per say. Taking all these variables and making an overlying Stance equation is a daunting task. Taking the variables and defining which of them are multipliers, which can or can not be present in the event of the other’s existance, and making sure that weights are adequitely placed on those which make the largest Stance impact all become an excersize. As a student of Stance I have scoured the internet looking for the most prevalent, prolific, and popular examples of Stance. Using these examples the Stance equation / formula was born.

[FunfGang]

I think somebody needs to actually learn what "stance" means, it's certainly not about how low your car is to the ground. Talk about stance to hot rod guys, it's often about nose down ass up as with cal-look volkswagens. Ask the Stanceworks guys about it, I'm sure they'll define it better than myself!

So if you can't define it, do you think you have any room to talk?